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Post by sbfan2015 on Apr 27, 2016 15:44:33 GMT -8
Which one is better?
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Post by sheriffdiver on Apr 27, 2016 19:58:01 GMT -8
I have a JMJ wetsuit and seems to me they made a bunch for the people at the Sea Hunt event this year! |
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Post by sbfan2015 on May 1, 2016 13:24:48 GMT -8
No offense, sheriffdiver, but it's my understanding that Wetwear wetsuits have better neoprene than the product of JMJ Wetsuits. Check out the following link: youtu.be/2PQLrcKN2cAKeep in mind that Wetwear can make a custom nylon-one-side, rubber-out jacket with a front zipper, a beavertail, and twistlocks. Wetwear does not cover tears and seams under warranty, though the company can repair them. |
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Post by SeaRat on May 1, 2016 15:58:40 GMT -8
No offense, sheriffdiver, but it's my understanding that Wetwear wetsuits have better neoprene than the product of JMJ Wetsuits. Check out the following link: youtu.be/2PQLrcKN2cAKeep in mind that Wetwear can make a custom nylon-one-side, rubber-out jacket with a front zipper, a beavertail, and twistlocks. Wetwear does not cover tears and seams under warranty, though the company can repair them. So can neoprene cement and a needle and thread.  John |
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Post by nikeajax on May 1, 2016 16:51:34 GMT -8
Yeah-booyeeeee! That's what I'm talkin' 'bout John! But yeah, we found a a Z90 suit for my wife, and for some reason, someone cut the tail off   Needle and thread plus some wet suit glue, and we found a really good match for the foam at Steele's: the suit was 15bux... Jim said that this Zeagle (sp?) was made by SAS for them... Jaybird |
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Post by sitkadiver on May 1, 2016 17:24:09 GMT -8
Yeah-booyeeeee! That's what I'm talkin' 'bout John! But yeah, we found a a Z90 suit for my wife, and for some reason, someone cut the tail off Needle and thread plus some wet suit glue, and we found a really good match for the foam at Steele's: the suit was 15bux... Jim said that this Zeagle (sp?) was made by SAS for them... Jaybird Since you live near the Mavericks and Bodega Bay, my guess is that a surfer owned that suit at one time. I don't know why, but the surf crowd I knew back in the 80's, did not like the beaver tails. |
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Post by SeaRat on May 1, 2016 17:51:36 GMT -8
Yeah-booyeeeee! That's what I'm talkin' 'bout John! But yeah, we found a a Z90 suit for my wife, and for some reason, someone cut the tail off Needle and thread plus some wet suit glue, and we found a really good match for the foam at Steele's: the suit was 15bux... Jim said that this Zeagle (sp?) was made by SAS for them... Jaybird Since you live near the Mavericks and Bodega Bay, my guess is that a surfer owned that suit at one time. I don't know why, but the surf crowd I knew back in the 80's, did not like the beaver tails. They wanted to feel that water go throughout the suit when they fell into a big wave. Or maybe someone had a beavertail come loose while riding a wave, and he (no she would do this) tried to put it back in place and lost the wave. John |
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Post by tomcatpc on May 1, 2016 20:16:48 GMT -8
I recall seeing Surfers just letting the beaver tail undone. My guess is more freedom of movement when standing up? I can't recall seeing anyone wearing a full on beaver tail wet suit when surfing (this was in the early 1990's, so they were getting close to "vintage" status then, and did not see a lot of them). The few beaver tail wetsuits were the shorty (I recall using the term "Spring suit" then) wet suits.
This was in San Diego area. I wore a Body Glove Spring/Shorty wet suit then (which I still have and still get into). It was a "modern" rear entry type. All of the surfers I recall wearing a full wet suit then had the rear entry one piece suits.
Long way of me saying, yes I recall seeing a few Surfers wearing beaver tail shortys with the beaver tail undone.
Mark
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Post by nikeajax on May 1, 2016 21:11:42 GMT -8
My only "modern" suit is an IST semi-dry, everything else is beavertailed. I wouldn't mind the new stuff so much if only it didn't have the company logos and (expletive deleted) all over it JB |
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Post by tomcatpc on May 1, 2016 21:24:19 GMT -8
Given a choice, I'm swaying my wet suit choices to the beaver tail version. I have one late 1960's/early 1990's US Divers wet suit, a "brand-X" 1960'S/1970'S Shorty, 1970's/1980's 5mm, and just bought a 7mm "Sea Suits of California" from a member here that is on it's way to me, all of the those are beaver tail suits. I have one 3 mm 1980's era two piece "step in" suit and my Body Glove Spring suit from 1990.
Just like the look of the beaver tail suits now. As a 19 year old in 1990, I guess I just saw them as "old"...now I try and find ones that fit...
Mark
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Post by sheriffdiver on May 1, 2016 22:04:10 GMT -8
No offense, sheriffdiver, but it's my understanding that Wetwear wetsuits have better neoprene than the product of JMJ Wetsuits. Check out the following link: youtu.be/2PQLrcKN2cAKeep in mind that Wetwear can make a custom nylon-one-side, rubber-out jacket with a front zipper, a beavertail, and twistlocks. Wetwear does not cover tears and seams under warranty, though the company can repair them. Sounds to me like it was an advertisement for Wetwear from you and not a real question that you were asking us to answer! |
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Post by diverdon on May 2, 2016 5:28:14 GMT -8
No offense, sheriffdiver, but it's my understanding that Wetwear wetsuits have better neoprene than the product of JMJ Wetsuits. Check out the following link: youtu.be/2PQLrcKN2cAKeep in mind that Wetwear can make a custom nylon-one-side, rubber-out jacket with a front zipper, a beavertail, and twistlocks. Wetwear does not cover tears and seams under warranty, though the company can repair them. Sounds to me like it was an advertisement for Wetwear from you and not a real question that you were asking us to answer! That, and your answer was more of a statement than a comparison between the two. Looks like a loaded question. My question is why ask which is better if you think you already have the answer? Make your case first then ask (honestly) for opinions. DD |
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Post by sbfan2015 on May 2, 2016 16:47:44 GMT -8
Sorry, people! I can't say that I meant to shill for Wetwear. Is it true that JMJ Wetsuits is more committed to the beavertail wetsuit than Wetwear is?
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Post by sitkadiver on May 2, 2016 17:13:21 GMT -8
I have a JMJ wetsuit and seems to me they made a bunch for the people at the Sea Hunt event this year! JMJ's support of the Sea Hunt event has me sold on their product. I have the website saved on my browser. I have to admit though, that I'm not likely to go vintage style with my wetsuit. Although the main reason for buying the wetsuit is so I can use my single stage regs more often, I will also use the step-through for pool training with the dive team. I'm thinking a 5mm suit will do, even here in Alaska, as long as I keep up the maitenance. But when I look at the $10 price difference, I wonder if the extra 2mm is worth it.... I'll be sure to keep you all posted when I get the suit. An interesting thought. I agree with Tomcat about the surfers cutting the beaver tails off for added mobility, but I finf it interesting that the JMJ folks call the beaver tail suit a "surf jacket"... I feel like I learn something everyday.... jmjwetsuits.com/styles.htm |
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Post by surflung on May 3, 2016 7:42:20 GMT -8
- One of the main sales points of the WetWear suits is that they used to make suits out of the less compressible Rubatex foam neoprene. Less compressible means thickness and insulation should keep you warmer. But equally important: Less buoyancy swing due to compression. Since Rubatex has been discontinued, Wetwear now offers their own custom foam neoprene that is supposed to have the same or similar compressibility.
- BUT, I think we have to give some credit to the modern suit companies for innovations in material, design, and construction that may just surpass the low compression advantages of Rubatex.
- For example, the modern concept of a "Semi-Dry" wet suit to keep cold water flushing to a minimum. I have a BARE 5mm wetsuit with sealing gussets in the sleeves and ankles and I actually had some spots inside that suit that were still dry after I went diving with it.
- For example, with the extra warmth from modern Semi-Dry features, I went to a 3mm BARE wetsuit to cut down on buoyancy swings from depth compression. I have worn that 3mm BARE with a 3mm hooded vest to dive in water temperatures down to 36 degrees. It's usually around 38-42 degrees at 80 feet deep in Fortune pond. And that suit gives me wonderful buoyancy characteristics and keeps me warm, too.
- Another example, the off-the-shelf fit of my 2XL BARE is nothing short of astounding and I think it is due to more flexible foam neoprene, plus a better design that conforms to body contours, plus better construction methods. HERE's why I think all of that is important: A better fitting wetsuit keeps cold water flushing to a minimum, making for a warmer suit... And a warmer suit doesn't need to be so thick... Letting you wear a thinner suit for less compressibility and better freedom of motion.
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