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Feb 16, 2008 11:13:48 GMT -8
Post by nemrod on Feb 16, 2008 11:13:48 GMT -8
As they say, film is dead, that is what they say. No point in messing with a silly Nikonos or my housed Nikon in Ikelite housing, it is dead. So, I have no intention of spending thousands of dollars on electronic crap that lasts three weeks and then goes TU unlike the ancient METAL, brass, aluminum, steel, titanium and real glass Nikons of yore. Nope, just plastic crap with a chip but "film is dead" so because I just want some snaps. I have no idea if it will work at all, if not I can use it for an anchor. I see this on Amazon: www.amazon.com/Canon-WP-DC12-Waterproof-A570IS-Digital/dp/B000OEP3JA/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1203115616&sr=8-1Notice the price!!!!!!!!! This camera is much better than my P&S because it allegedly has some manual control I am told. Hey, this is a good price for a simple P&S to take some pics of vintage divers. I would have gotten a Nikon P5100 in an Ike housing but nobody at Ike could tell me how it would work with my already purchased Inon 165AD fisheye, Inon 105AD WA etc. So, I will wait on that, I am increasingly poor, my wife is going to kill me if I spend any more of my allowance on scuba junk, especially all that old junk. Nem
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Feb 16, 2008 12:46:27 GMT -8
Post by SeaRat on Feb 16, 2008 12:46:27 GMT -8
Nemrod,
I'd continue with the film. I'm doing the same right now, in spit of having already purchased a Canon Rebel Xti. I have an Ikelite housing for my Canon F-1N, and it is a wonderful setup. I still also have my Nikonos II cameras, but they are starting to deteriorate. Their problem is the connection for my Ikelite Substrobe MS, which I cannot get to function right now. I also have one problem with my Substrobe MS, in that the battery compartment won't unscrew anymore (stripped something). If I can get those working again, I'll use them in shooting this spring and summer.
John
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Feb 16, 2008 13:33:10 GMT -8
Post by nemrod on Feb 16, 2008 13:33:10 GMT -8
I feel your pain SeaRat. Film is not really dead except in the minds of those who don't want 10X the dynamic range of digital and 150 MP or more equivilent. But, to refurb my old Ikelite housing it would be several hundred dollars plus a new dome port because I sold mine with my video camera I unloaded--good ridance to that. I also would need a new strobe because my old Sea Strobe is long gone having been flooded several times and finally perished into a trash receptacle. So, I figured to just try and take some fun snaps, nothing serious. AND, then there is viewing your picures, I always shot slides, color positive, and I don't think anyone shoots slides anymore and I have had poor luck with color negative development which means I have to spend time in Photoshop scanning in the negatives and color correcting them so might as well shoot digital.
I don't know. The vintage stuff reaches a limit with me, I like simple first and vintage second. That is why I say I am not really a vintage diver, I am a MINIMALIST diver and when vintage becomes more complex than modern for the sake of vintage--nah--I am bailing out. Vintage scuba is enough without having to deal with makeing vintage underwater photo rigs work as well, I will pass, simple wins for me, if it works anyways. My attraction to vintage is the simplicity and function, not an affection for good old days.
Nem
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Feb 16, 2008 15:49:28 GMT -8
Post by JES on Feb 16, 2008 15:49:28 GMT -8
James, That looks like an Olympus case. What Olympus camera did you purchase? Remember, if you have Ikelite questions just ask Karl G. or David H. They are truly Ikelite masters!
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Feb 16, 2008 18:48:49 GMT -8
Post by kgehring on Feb 16, 2008 18:48:49 GMT -8
Email brett@ikelite.com He does the R&D on housings. He should be able to tell you if the Inon stuff will work and an aproximate amount of vinetting the W/A lens will have. I have the p5100 & housing and Ike W-20 w/a lens. I have not shot it much since I shoot the D70s most of the time. I will ship you mine if you want to play with it.
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Feb 16, 2008 18:59:27 GMT -8
Post by nemrod on Feb 16, 2008 18:59:27 GMT -8
Thanks for the offer but I won't have anything to play with until SDV. I will start saving my moola for that rig and hope it will work decent. Meanwhile I will have the Olypus and Canon digis in their respective housings. I originally bought the 7700SW just for the boat, kayak, rain, cold and had no intention of putting it in a housing. The little Canon looks neat, manual control and pretty good reviews from several people for a 150 dollar camera. Should work OK.
Maybe wait for the P5200 with raw. LOL. I forget for some reason that Karl is at Ikelite, darn. Thank you for the kind offer. Thanks.
James
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Feb 16, 2008 19:01:01 GMT -8
Post by kgehring on Feb 16, 2008 19:01:01 GMT -8
I will have it at SDV if you want to use it.
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Feb 16, 2008 22:46:31 GMT -8
Post by nemrod on Feb 16, 2008 22:46:31 GMT -8
Cool, yes, please bring it because that way I could line my lens up with it and get an idea of how much, if any, vignetting there would be. Yeah, good idea, thanks Mr. Karl, that would be great.
Nem
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Feb 17, 2008 18:43:54 GMT -8
Post by swimjim on Feb 17, 2008 18:43:54 GMT -8
Ya'll like film cameras? I'll sell you my Nikonos II, Oceanic tray, arm and Oceanic 2000 flash unit. I was saving it for deeper dives, like 150ft, but I haven't used it in two years. I've owned the Nik II body for 30 years and had it rebuilt by Sub aquatic in 2005. They condemed the flash, but I have used it and it works. I cannot guarenttee the camera or the flash as it's picky on how the user sets it up. I can tell you I have had great success with it though. Interested? PM me.
Jim
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Feb 18, 2008 14:11:54 GMT -8
Post by dhaas on Feb 18, 2008 14:11:54 GMT -8
Nemrod (and others), Here's what you wold need to buy to use the UWL 165 Fisheye lens on a Canon brand A570IS housing: inonamerica.com/products.php?product_id=431&prodcat=9&subcat=1Have no idea what they cost as I (like Karl) BLEED Ikelite only I will say the UWL 165 Fisheye lens is THE sharpest lens for add ons. BUT since it's so wide, and ports on those lower priced (I hesitated using the word "crappy") sometimes have to position a lens when zoomed to widest position WAAYYY far back, then yes, you may have to tap the zoom in a notch to avoid corners (vignetting) in your frame. If you add a wide exterior lens to ANY P&S housing you should NOT be zooming much as this will result in crap for photos. HECK, you ADDED the wide lens so you could take in a wide scenic. Hope this helps! dhaas www.haasimages.com
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Feb 18, 2008 19:17:31 GMT -8
Post by JES on Feb 18, 2008 19:17:31 GMT -8
Here's my rig: Olympus C-5050 & Ikelite 6130.55 Housing The back of this rig Ikelite DS-125 Digital TTL Strobe I'm still trying to convince my wife I need the wide-angle lens.
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Feb 19, 2008 5:54:55 GMT -8
Post by dhaas on Feb 19, 2008 5:54:55 GMT -8
Nemrod, In my previous post I tried to explain that some Ikelite housings, with or without an AD adapter for your particular INON 165 Fisheye lens will likely have to be zoomed in a tad to avoid vignetting. The amount is so little you will still have such a wide view it's not worth worrying about. Or you can crop the photo in post processing (one mouse click in any photo program including the FREE ones with every computer.) Being an engineer maybe you were looking for percentage of angle loss, and Ikelite nor I have those figures (or want to compute them) as they are meaningless in today's world. Many of the housings have to have a larger port, and set the camera body far enough back in so the lens when it extends doesn't hit the port. Then adding a UFL 165 Fisheye way out front can't widen the view to full effect. On your Nikon FMII, yes it is a fine old mechanical, heavy metal, batteryless camera. Is film better than digital? Absolute hogwash........You're comparing two totally different imaging technologies. I don't care if you make a blow up to 3' X 4' I can make even the lowest cost digital look 100% better than any fine grain film slide I shot for years. All with about 3 minute on a computer. I can spot a scanned slide in a dive magazine (maybe 1 in 200 photos if that) a mile away. It looks like crap and I shot thousands of dollars of fine grain Fuji and Kodak film until about 2001. The film versus digital debate only exists for people who don't have, use, or are wiling to spend, oh, maybe 10 hours of time to really learn all your need to know about digital. 36 chances underwater when you seal it up and go underwater compared to instant feedback (that means knowing if you even GOT the shot!) hundreds if not more chances depending on your memory card size (cheap these days, too!) and mind blowing creative post adaptations makes digital so superior it's not even debatable anymore..... So while I love your insights on Freedom plates, double hose regs, piloting airplanes and boats you are so far off the mark on digital it is simply bad information. As far as reliability in extreme conditions. People are hiking to Everest, shooting in 28.5F water beneath Antarctica and more with battery powered digicams of all shapes and sizes because they work, are lighter, rechargeable batteries aren't a problem these days, etc. Without digital (including scanning old film stuff) no one discussing vintage dive gear could sell or even show people what the heck they're talking about..... I wouldn't hit a dog in the ass with a film camera.........And haven't for 7 years..... But hey, what do I know? dhaas
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Feb 19, 2008 5:59:46 GMT -8
Post by dhaas on Feb 19, 2008 5:59:46 GMT -8
P.S. - For the first time in 7 years tonight I am doing a talk "39 Years of Diving from an Old Geezer's Perspective" using SLIDES and I had to borrow a projector Pulling these out and looking through our dive gear I'm amazed what I thought was good. Today they are good, for a laugh Will show 1969 or so books, dive tables, talk about my first BC, Unisuit dry suit (after diving several years under the ice in a wet suit!) and more.....Mostly making fun of myself So I do enjoy visiting my past in diving. I just don't cling to it and think it was better........In fact, looking at some of these slides I remember being so friggin' miserable I bought several motorcycles for 3-5 years and probably spent more time riding them than diving. Plus skiing out west. But I came back for good to diving many moons ago. And still love it.... Food for thought! dhaas
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Feb 19, 2008 11:55:39 GMT -8
Post by duckbill on Feb 19, 2008 11:55:39 GMT -8
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Feb 19, 2008 19:03:11 GMT -8
Post by nemrod on Feb 19, 2008 19:03:11 GMT -8
dhaas says:
"I wouldn't hit a dog in the ass with a film camera.........And haven't for 7 years....."
Well, that is funny but there is an old saying, every dog has it's day and a grand day it was.
I think the same thing that attracts me to real cameras is the concept of "throwaway" was not the rule of the day when they were made. Like our vintage regulators, they were built to function for decades, not a few weeks or months before being replaced with a new model with some new function that requires 5 button pushes and a MicroSoft type manual to understand.
Besides, I like old dogs .
Nem
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