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Post by vance on Jun 2, 2018 14:38:51 GMT -8
I got a NED single hoser in a lot of stuff a while back. I thought it was going to be a rebranded Orca, but it turned out to be a tilt valve second stage like the Malibu Diver I just got. The covers are a bit different, but the cases are identical. When I began taking it apart, not realizing what dangers lurked, I unscrewed the LP hose connection at the second stage while walking through my garage fixing to get a wrench out of the toolbox. When the hose and 2nd parted company, the tilt valve and whatever else was in there sproinged across the garage. I found a spring and the tilt valve after some crawling around. No problem. When I put it back together, the thing worked, but the tilt valve wouldn't stay centered all the time and it would freeflow randomly. When I got the Malibu Diver apart, I found the cause. Turns out, the spring I found was not the right one. It was either a random spring from who knows where lying on the floor of my garage, or the thing was assembled with an incorrect spring. Turns out this is the spring it needs (JB's picture):
The cone shape and the little curl keep the valve centered. Now I just have to find one of these. And a NED label for my Hydro Twin II.....
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Post by SeaRat on Jun 2, 2018 15:13:21 GMT -8
You may have put the spring in backwards. Check to see whether that helps. I think the small end goes against the tilt valve, and the larger end against the hose, but I may be wrong as this is from memory. I have one, so I can pull it apart if needed.
John
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Post by nikeajax on Jun 2, 2018 17:41:34 GMT -8
Phil, a while back you were telling John about some place that sells about 60-pagillion kinze of springs: if you find some, please let me know, as I have some tilt-valve HW's I need them for...
JB
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Post by vance on Jun 3, 2018 15:23:05 GMT -8
You may have put the spring in backwards. Check to see whether that helps. I think the small end goes against the tilt valve, and the larger end against the hose, but I may be wrong as this is from memory. I have one, so I can pull it apart if needed. John No, the spring that came out was a regular type, not cone shaped. It wouldn't hold the valve seat centered. I need another cone shaped one. I put the cone shaped one in the NED. Now my Malibu Diver is going begging. I also need an exhaust tee for it.
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Post by vance on Jun 3, 2018 15:24:09 GMT -8
Phil, a while back you were telling John about some place that sells about 60-pagillion kinze of springs: if you find some, please let me know, as I have some tilt-valve HW's I need them for... JB If I find some, I'll let you know! I'm going to see JS soon, and will see if he can find anything.
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Post by nikeajax on Jun 3, 2018 15:35:36 GMT -8
Hmmmm? I've already asked, and looked, but hey, another set of eyes is always good. Look in the boxes, not the cabinets, cuz I've searched those at least five times--honestly!
I've been thinking, if you could make a disc the same diameter as the end of the hose, then used a punch to make a hole with the inside raised, it would hold a straight spring centered...
JB
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Post by vance on Jun 3, 2018 16:20:46 GMT -8
Hmmmm? I've already asked, and looked, but hey, another set of eyes is always good. Look in the boxes, not the cabinets, cuz I've searched those at least five times--honestly! I've been thinking, if you could make a disc the same diameter as the end of the hose, then used a punch to make a hole with the inside raised, it would hold a straight spring centered... JB If you look at Roberts Basic Scuba in the Sportsways tilt valve section, it shows an insert that was used to do that. What it looks like? Shouldn't be too hard to make something.
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Post by vance on Jun 3, 2018 16:23:56 GMT -8
Now that I know what I'm looking for, I'll be able to scan the jars and what-all. I'm sure you have looked, but you never know. JS might just have a memory flash and will go directly to the jar/drawer/box/area where they's a hunnit.
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Post by nikeajax on Jun 3, 2018 16:36:29 GMT -8
Hmmmmm? Grommet? I wonder if a grommet could be modified for this job? JB
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Post by vance on Jun 3, 2018 20:32:58 GMT -8
Oi! Gromit! Gromit me lad? Wouja loik a noice bit-ov chaize?
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Post by waldenwalrus on Jun 4, 2018 5:12:59 GMT -8
This is not a post about the NED regulator, it is about NED and my memories of it. I apologize if I have a few facts wrong please correct any if you know they are not right. I haven’t been diving as long as SeaRat (perhaps nobody has, he may have been the first to have a Dive Flag bumper sticker on his covered wagon , but acquiring a New England Divers DH regulator pleases me a lot. I have lived in Massachusetts since I was 7 and my father was a diver starting in about 1960 in central Ohio. When we moved to Massachusetts in 1965 NED was one of the first weekend trips for my brothers and I so my father could get some new gear for the ocean and an upcoming trip to Florida. Back then NED was located pretty much on the harbor front of Beverly, MA. As I remember the store was possibly a repurposed two-family home. It had a pool on the ground floor and the showroom per se was a series of hallways and small rooms. I remember posters of Sean Connery and the upcoming movie “Thunderball” posted all around. I also remember seeing lots of spearguns for sale and we thought they were so cool. There was only one other store at the time around here and it didn’t have the stock that NED had. The other memorable thing that always made the trip there worthwhile was the pet piranha they had in the tank there. Holding your finger up to the tank and watching him try to bite it through the glass was great fun. I remember a Sea Hunt episode when Mike Nelson runs into a school of piranha and was glad he had his wetsuit on so they couldn’t bite through it. I am not sure if that was true but it was Sea Hunt and it was still cool. I won’t be testing that theory. I got my first snorkeling set there, I think it was a Dolphin Brand kit. The fins had molded eyelets and a place to slice the foot pocket to add laces when you out grew them (they became my little brothers before that happened) also an oval mask with real glass that was clear, not orange and plastic like so many others of that era. The snorkel was a basic J with round rubber bite posts, which I haven’t seen on any snorkel since. That set got a lot of use until I out grew it. I didn’t get certified until about 1975 when I was 17. At that point there were several dive stores in the area, so the 50 mile trip to Beverly wasn’t needed. NED moved at some point to Tozer Road in Beverly to a bigger facility. Unfortunately I never made it there before it went out of business. It is very hard to run a dive store in this area, especially away from the coast. NED was a big outfit and probably was the equivalent of Abercrombie and Fitch back when they were hunting/fishing and safari outfitters. They rebadged a lot of gear with their label, as it was a very well respected name in the diving community. We are pretty much back to just a handful of Dive Shops in the area. A few more bit the dust in the past few years. Hopefully they will survive and thrive. It will be tough to get air on line. I hope to get the time to get my NED rebadged Hydro Twin II soon and start using it. I have a DA with a Phoenix that I like a lot and a Voit Trieste that breaths OK but not great. It will be interesting to see how a stock Hydro Twin II will stack up against the Phoenix. Good Luck in restoring the NED single hose. The NED name is a respected name and did a lot for the sport diving industry. It's good to keep the name around and in use.
John
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Post by vance on Jun 4, 2018 7:01:40 GMT -8
That's so cool you got to see the shop. I have a good friend that lives in Beverly, and have visited, only 40 years too late to see NED!
My NED single hoser is done and working great. Now the donor Sport Diver languishes in the "needs fixed" box.
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Post by nikeajax on Jun 4, 2018 8:42:45 GMT -8
I haven’t been diving as long as SeaRat (perhaps nobody has, he may have been the first to have a Dive Flag bumper sticker on his covered wagon Cover wagon nuthin'--it was a chariot! JB
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Post by vance on Jun 4, 2018 11:35:26 GMT -8
Anyone with a spare exhaust tee like this one, pls PM me!
I need one for my Sport Diver reg. Also if anyone comes across that spirally spring..... Thanks!
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Post by waldenwalrus on Jun 5, 2018 9:12:28 GMT -8
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