Creed
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Post by Creed on Oct 26, 2005 14:30:53 GMT -8
Sometimes the mail brings more than bills I hooked it up to that 72, and opened the valve slowly, listening for leaks. Nothing. So, I tried to take a breath. Nothing. Dammit, did my valve leak out? Crank the valve a little more open, another breath. And, bingo, it breathed fine. Three small nicks on the exhaust hose. Anyone have a single spare hose?
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Post by Creed on Oct 26, 2005 16:28:03 GMT -8
Hate to respond to my own thread, but I have some questions.
1) If this reg is breathing ok, should I open it up? I know that some parts hard hard to come by, so do I risk damage by doing so?
2) Given that both of the hoses are in wonderful shape, except for 3 small mouse nibbles, should I try repairing the exhaust hose rather than replacing it?
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Post by JES on Oct 26, 2005 19:44:27 GMT -8
Hate to respond to my own thread, but I have some questions. 1) If this reg is breathing ok, should I open it up? I know that some parts hard hard to come by, so do I risk damage by doing so? 2) Given that both of the hoses are in wonderful shape, except for 3 small mouse nibbles, should I try repairing the exhaust hose rather than replacing it? 1) If you plan to dive this regulator then the answer is yes, you should open it up, but only if you know what you are doing. If you're familiar with repairing these regulators then you probably won't damage anything. If you're not comfortable doing this yourself then by all means send it to Dan or Bryan and they will rebuild it for you. 2) The choice is yours. You can do it either way. Good luck and it looks like you have a nice DA.
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Post by seakrakken on Oct 26, 2005 21:17:34 GMT -8
Very nice DA! Yes, by all means replace the hoses and duckbill and no return valves in the mouth piece at the minimum. If your are a tinkerer and like learning new things and have a few tools and a bench or are willing to get them then this could be your first rebuild! If you don't have the time, tools or inclination I also highly recommend Dan's or Bryan's services. That way at least you'll know it's done right and won't be angry with yourself if you break it.
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Post by JES on Oct 27, 2005 12:56:41 GMT -8
... That way at least you'll know it's done right and won't be angry with yourself if you break it. I couldn't have said it better myself!
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Post by Creed on Oct 27, 2005 15:15:11 GMT -8
Very nice DA! Yes, by all means replace the hoses and duckbill and no return valves in the mouth piece at the minimum. If your are a tinkerer and like learning new things and have a few tools and a bench or are willing to get them then this could be your first rebuild! If you don't have the time, tools or inclination I also highly recommend Dan's or Bryan's services. That way at least you'll know it's done right and won't be angry with yourself if you break it. I've rebuilt a few single hose regs, so I am pretty confortable with opening it up myself.
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Post by nemrod on Oct 27, 2005 15:19:25 GMT -8
Been a busy day, no sleep since yesterday due to work and other things but I will answer, yes, since it is an exhaust hose you might be able to repair them with AquaSeal.
You need to replace the clips with a band clamp from Bryan for easy quick access.
I am certain it should be opened up and inspected and I would install a kit from Bryan plus a new duckbill most likely. It probably will need new mushroom valves from Dan here on this site and hoses at 40 dollars or so are pretty cheap--better gettem while you can.
Not trying to pull buisness from anyone but since I live right down the road from you I will be glad to check it over for no charge but you will need to then order the needed parts yourself. I am fully capable of tuning and repairing but the masters, Bryan, Dan and Chucko, are the tops when it comes to this stuff and always your best bet.
James James
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Post by SeaRat on Oct 27, 2005 15:28:55 GMT -8
Even if the regulator is breathing well, I'd open it up and look inside. I once had a spider's nest inside my Dacor Pacer second stage. Also, feel inside the hoses for black slimy stuff; if you find it, you'll need to wash it out with an antibiotic soap and a bottle brush. (This is in addition to what Nemrod says above.)
John
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Post by Creed on Oct 27, 2005 16:18:15 GMT -8
Been a busy day, no sleep since yesterday due to work and other things but I will answer, yes, since it is an exhaust hose you might be able to repair them with AquaSeal. You need to replace the clips with a band clamp from Bryan for easy quick access. I am certain it should be opened up and inspected and I would install a kit from Bryan plus a new duckbill most likely. It probably will need new mushroom valves from Dan here on this site and hoses at 40 dollars or so are pretty cheap--better gettem while you can. Not trying to pull buisness from anyone but since I live right down the road from you I will be glad to check it over for no charge but you will need to then order the needed parts yourself. I am fully capable of tuning and repairing but the masters, Bryan, Dan and Chucko, are the tops when it comes to this stuff and always your best bet. James James James, I think I will take you up on that. I have to head to Des Moines next week for a month of contract work, but when I get back, I will try to get ahold of you.
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Post by Creed on Oct 27, 2005 22:23:54 GMT -8
OK, I couldn't help it. I had to do it. I grabbed the manual and began the disassembly and inspection. It was immediately apparent that the duckbill valve was shot. The lp seat is also a loss. I'll order both soon.
I've disassembled the reg to the point that I need to remove the Dented Ring. Both manuals I have refer to a special wrench. What wrench is used to do this?
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Post by nemrod on Oct 28, 2005 0:00:48 GMT -8
What dented ring? If you mean the large nut that holds the body to the box I would get a brass or aluminum drift and place it into one of the notches and tap it until it turns. Install it the same way, hand tight and then tap it until the gasket compresses but does not extrude excessivly. I would not place it in a vice while you do this, another set of hands, wife or whoever or hold it between your legs in your lap or something like that. Usually they come free with a few good whacks. You might as well install a rebuild kit and a new sintered filter. Some times the sintered filters will need to have their outer circumference filed down slightly to slip into the nozzle. It is much easier to tune a regulator with new parts in it like a new HP diaphram and LP seat. Good luck with it.
James
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Post by duckbill on Oct 28, 2005 0:12:07 GMT -8
Hi Creed, I guess it's too late now, but I offered on your SCUBABoard thread to reveal my box clip secrets merely for the asking.
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Post by luis on Oct 28, 2005 6:01:24 GMT -8
Hi duckbill
You can reveal your box clip secrets to us. I am always receptive to new ideas (especially when comes to them darn little clips). Now a days, I only deal with the clips once per regulator (they get replaced with Bryan’s band clamps), but I have one more regulator to service for a friend (a local dive shop owner personal RAM).
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Post by Creed on Oct 28, 2005 7:50:34 GMT -8
What dented ring? If you mean the large nut that holds the body to the box I would get a brass or aluminum drift and place it into one of the notches and tap it until it turns. Install it the same way, hand tight and then tap it until the gasket compresses but does not extrude excessivly. I would not place it in a vice while you do this, another set of hands, wife or whoever or hold it between your legs in your lap or something like that. Usually they come free with a few good whacks. You might as well install a rebuild kit and a new sintered filter. Some times the sintered filters will need to have their outer circumference filed down slightly to slip into the nozzle. It is much easier to tune a regulator with new parts in it like a new HP diaphram and LP seat. Good luck with it. James Yeah, that's the part. The manual I have called it a "Dented Ring." It mentioned a special wrench, so I thought I would ask. I'll give it a good tap with a piece of aluminum tonight. I am writing out a grocery list to order right now.
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Post by SeaRat on Oct 28, 2005 14:49:08 GMT -8
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