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Post by Broxton Carol on Jul 21, 2005 7:03:39 GMT -8
I have been watching SEA HUNT Videos lately and saw mike Nelson diving a DA NAVY regulator, with a VOIT label top box on it, and VOIT hoses and chrome clamps. What gives here? In another scene he had a brush finish aquamaster, with a bright chrome VOIT top box on it, and voit hoses and chrome clamps. Did Lloyd Bridges secretly prefer USD regs "DEEP" down inside?
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Post by RMannix on Jul 21, 2005 8:29:14 GMT -8
Never saw anything about "Voit" in the credits, they might have had an agreement with them but still used whatever was on hand and working. Probably had a full time hose replacement person as they cut one in every other episode. Wish I had a pair of those balsa doubles after climbing up my boarding ladder Saturday with a pair of 72's
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Post by SeaRat on Jul 21, 2005 9:14:38 GMT -8
Boarding ladder? How about climbing out of the river up a 15 foot cliff, tramping along the rocks to the trail up from the river to where the cars are parked (about 100 feet higher) ? My double 42 get to weighing something when I do that, and I really wish for a boat and a boarding ladder. I really enjoyed Sea Hunt as a kid. I would watch it after swim team practice in the late afternoon or early evening. I remember that in their early shows they would have Mike Nelson in doubles with a regulator which had green hoses and the earlier Kleer-Easy mouthpiece in Voit green. Later they went to the newer Voit regulators, with the grey hoses and newer-designed Voit grey mouthpiece. Occasionally they would cut footage of closeups with the green hoses, and show him swimming away with the grey ones. Even as kids, we'd spot that. Concerning the regulators, I'm not sure in the early days whether USD or AMF Voit actually manufactured the regulators. All the Voit regulators were identical, or almost identical internally, and so they could have come from the same factory. Later, I understand that Voit actually made their regulators, but in the beginning I think they may have come from the same place. That would explain the discrepency, and perhaps the film director wanted something that showed better on-screen than the Voit boxes. John
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Post by kemps cow on Jul 22, 2005 3:37:35 GMT -8
The first episode of Seahunt mark of the octopus, A USdivers converted Overpressure breathing was used.Note this has the Bright chrome ehaust box with label. Thje second episode 60 feet below a Us divers black Jet air single stage was used. Voit Green Label Mariner and Sportsman one and two stage along with ,Voit fifty fathom blue and chrome models thruout the series. These were Downstream very hard breathing regulators,the lower the tank pressure the harder they breathe up to 3". Courtney Brown who was Lloyd bridges double used A USDIVERS AQuamaster with gray Voit hose mouthpiece assembly. Alright which episode shows a diver climbing up a ladderwearing a Healthways Scuba double hose ? Jl
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Post by GOMEZ unchained on Jul 25, 2005 15:04:41 GMT -8
Who is this "COW" guy anyway? Mike and I would have cut his hoses if he swam across our path!
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Post by SeaRat on Jul 25, 2005 15:13:34 GMT -8
Okay, a couple of things. Concerning the Voit Green Label Mariner and Sportsman, neither were single-stage downstream valve regs. That was the Voit 50 Fathom (chrome box) and Blue 50 Fathom (plastic box) regulator. The Mariner was the Voit equivalent of the DA Navy regulator (DA Aqualung, the first regulator in the USA by USD). The VR-1 Sportsman (1056-59) was the Voit equivalent of the DW Aqua-Lung, and worked the same as the USD Mistral except it had the DW oriface. This was according to Fred Roberts, in [U[Basic Scuba[/U]. By the way, except for an orientation problem with the orifices, the 50 Fathom is a very nice regulator. The large hole should be pointed down the intake hose. This has been discussed elsewhere on these threads, but don't discount the 50 Fathom or the Blue 50 Fathom. I never saw Mike Nelson in a Healthways Scuba regulator, or a USD Jet Air (memory from about 45 years ago though).
I did see Lloyd Bridges or his son in a Healthways Scuba regulator during a photo session for his book (also by Bill Barada), Mask and Flippers. I was pretty amazed to see this in the book though, as I had never seen it in the Sea Hunt series. It doesn't mean it wasn't there, just that I, as a teenager, never saw it.
John
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Post by SeaRat on Jul 25, 2005 18:51:21 GMT -8
Well, I think I have some answers to the questions above. First, when was Lloyd Bridges wearing a Healthways Scuba regulator? I don't know, but the only reference I've found is in 50 Years of Scuba, produced through a cooperative effort by The Diving Equupment Manufacturers Association (DEMA, which has now changed its name), Nikon and Skin Diver Magazine, and copyrighted in 1992. Here's the cover: Note that Llyod Bridges is wearing what appears to be a Healthways Scuba regulator (from the hose and mouthpiece design, but it could have been a DA Aqualung too, the old type). Now, for the supposed Sea Hunt episode which included a diver wearing a USD Jet Air regulator, I don't know if that happened or not. Here's where the reference probably came from, in Mask and Flippers by Bill Barada (supposedly by Lloyd Bridges as told to Bill Barada, but I think it was probably the other way around). You'll note that three of the photos are of Lloyd as Mike Nelson, and the other shows a diver going up a boarding ladder. The text below it states, in relation to this photo: I think this may have been a stock photo, and not from the series. Or it may have been from the series, showing a diver other than Mike Nelson exiting the water. One other minor correction, it was Jeff Bridges wearing a regulator other than a Voit double hose, and it was a Sportsways single hose regulator (shown on page 122 of the book). This was when Jeff Bridges was 12 years old. John
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Post by nemrod on Jul 26, 2005 0:17:55 GMT -8
I have been watching various episodes of SeaHunt. Most of the time he appears to be using a Voit Navy type but I am not sure. He may have been using a USD DA alos in one episode. I am somewhat amazed at how banged up the equipment is--like real diving equipement and not perfect HollyWood props. All of this was filmed between 57 and 61 and except for my Pico Mistral all of my double hosers are from the 60s and 70s and have different mouthpieces and etc from what I am seeing in the episodes. Try as I do it is hard to get a clear view of the equipment. I surely would like to rig a set of triple 30s like Mike Nelson's triples. James
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Post by Gomez' echo on Jul 26, 2005 1:15:34 GMT -8
I surely would like to rig a set of triple 30s like Mike Nelson's triples. James There is a set of triples hanging on the wall next to the repair station at the dive store where I work sometimes. Chucko and I were there last week and he raided the parts drawer. Lots of original things. He was like a kid in a candy store. I will try to get a photo of the triples. The owner wants a more authentic cotton harness on it. May have another job.
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Post by Broxton Carol on Jul 26, 2005 2:28:40 GMT -8
After watching 32 episodes of SEA HUNT, and a few slugs of OLD HAWK, ALLAN and I went diving. I used the great original. type harness he made for my 1959 aqua lung tank. It is the most comfortable I have used. Im putting my other backpacks on ebay, now that Ive found the "BEST"
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Post by Captain on Jul 26, 2005 7:26:08 GMT -8
The first regulator I bought was a Voit Mariner II which internally was an exact copy of the USD DA Navy approved two stage. It had a satin chrome body, yoke and rear box half and a shiny chrome box front with the green label and the embossed spoke design. This was in 1957. It got lost over the years. I sure wish I still had it. They are few and far between now.
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Post by broXton chuck on Jul 26, 2005 7:58:26 GMT -8
Thats what I likely saw on the sea hunt re run. I thought it was cobbled up, but I never knew anything about voit regs. Still dont, though I have owned a few. Chuck
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Post by nemrod on Jul 26, 2005 9:43:02 GMT -8
Have y'all noticed all the bloopers that they did not edit. In one episode a fella was "Jimmy" and then later in the same episode he was "johnny". In other episodes there are similar mistakes. Howabout the "Manta" sub with the doors flapping open. That sub or one exactly like it is outside a dive shop in Houston that I used to do buisness with. Also, notice all the women are not blonde, Mike Nelson does not wear board shorts and he pops his mask up on his forehead after a dive like a proper Skindiver. Good stuff, that and Sky King are the stuff that legends are made of. Contrast those fellows to the junk on TV now and I understand why I don't watch TV anymore. Oh, allt he wooden boats and old outboards, great stuff. My dad and my brother and me rebuilt a wooden Lapline of about 19 feet. It had a 75 Johnson brand new in 1964/65 or so. There are pics somewhere of me as a child flipping over the gunwales with my first scuba set bought at the Feed and Seed! My Whaler is a better boat but that old boat was a great piece of Americana, built like a piece of furniture. It was destryoed in a rear end accident by drunk teenagers about 1974. Mike Nelson would have liked it. James
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Post by Kemps cow Bryans nightmare on Jul 26, 2005 16:24:15 GMT -8
Hi, The Seahunt Episode sixty feet Below Clearly shows Mike Nelson using a JetAir regulator,and I have an original Ziv tv photo of Lloyd Bridges sitting in a lawn chair on the boat wearing this JetAIR REGULATOR. There is another episode in which a diver not Mike Nelson is climbing up a ladder wearing a healthways scuba. Kent Rockwell document these statements in The Historical diver I believe issue 15. If you guys had the original movies on 16mm film or good copies maybe you could see the facts clearly. Jl
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Post by SeaRat on Jul 26, 2005 19:06:10 GMT -8
Hi Kemp's Cow,
Just remember that I'm looking through the prism of a memory that goes back to the 1950's, and black and white TV. My dive club did show two Sea Hunt shows during one meeting, but that's what I remember. So the thought that someone would have original 16mm film of those shows is difficult for me to imagine.
John
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