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Post by nikeajax on Feb 26, 2020 15:23:34 GMT -8
OK, here they are side-by-side: What were they thinking: yeah, I know, bottom line... I can't help but wonder if ScubaPro's future had something to do with it too! JB
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Post by vance on Feb 27, 2020 14:43:03 GMT -8
The 1" mp in JB's photo is an interesting setup. It has a deflector plate in the middle and it has the slotted non-return carriers that came with Gold Label regs. The deflector is to keep venturi boosted air from passing by the diver and into the exhaust hose. I'm not sure what the slots do. Maybe just better support for the rubber?
These 1"ers are restrictive, but work pretty well with a GL. The stock 1" mp and hoses on the Scuba and Deluxe is not an easy breathing setup compared to regs with larger diameter mps and non-return valves.
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Post by nikeajax on Feb 27, 2020 16:58:40 GMT -8
PY, yeah, I'm pretty sure it's to keep it ridged as well as allowing a slot for the air to flow through.
JB
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Post by SeaRat on Feb 27, 2020 22:48:54 GMT -8
The 1" mp in JB's photo is an interesting setup. It has a deflector plate in the middle and it has the slotted non-return carriers that came with Gold Label regs. The deflector is to keep venturi boosted air from passing by the diver and into the exhaust hose. I'm not sure what the slots do. Maybe just better support for the rubber? These 1"ers are restrictive, but work pretty well with a GL. The stock 1" mp and hoses on the Scuba and Deluxe is not an easy breathing setup compared to regs with larger diameter mps and non-return valves. The slots must be there as that is where the mouthpiece opening is located. With them on both sides, and meeting at the deflector plate, it doesn't matter which way they are inserted into the mouthpiece. But the slots must be where the air goes into the mouthpiece. I did a lot of experimenting on this mouthpiece, and finally send all three that I had to a member of this group. I did not like the way the non-returns inhibited air flow, and so on one I carved out the wagonwheels, and made the insides completely smooth. I found that with both carved out, even with the deflector plate in the mouthpiece, I still had some blow-by. I needed the exhaust to have the mushroom valve inserted in order not to have blow-by into the exhaust hose. But it really breathed well. I now am using either a USD hose/mouthpiece or a Hope-Page mouthpiece on my Gold Label and Healthways Hybrid Scuba regulators. John
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Post by vance on Feb 28, 2020 8:23:07 GMT -8
The point I was making is the changes made to the GL mouthpiece. The non-return carriers that the GL mouthpiece came with are a new style, longer, slotted part, not the conventional wagon wheel style the earlier models have.
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Post by Terry on Apr 9, 2020 20:08:25 GMT -8
That's great news! I'll be interested in a couple for sure. Keep us posted.
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Post by vance on Jun 3, 2020 7:28:23 GMT -8
I have been measuring the GL non-return carriers for 3D printing, and got to thinking about why they made them that long. They nearly meet together end to end when inserted into the mouthpiece. They must be meant to hold the deflector baffle in place so it can't be dislodged.
I should be receiving a set of samples soon!
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Post by nikeajax on Jun 3, 2020 15:36:17 GMT -8
I can't find what I did right now because I had to move a whole ton of stuff when we had our whole house rewired, but... Simply peel away the friction plate, they come off way easier than you can imagine, then seal up the pores/small hole left over with RTV. Once this has cured you are ready to place the diaphragm: the vital domed-shape exists in the Voit-diaphragm already. Glue the flange and then carefully place the diaphragm then the wire keeper-holder-onner-dingus: you will need to work the diaphragm in to avoid any fold or wrinkles. Once you have it in, wait for the glue to cure then trim away excess material. It will work very well for this application because it is fortified with nylon fabric JB
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Post by vance on Jun 3, 2020 17:03:54 GMT -8
OK, I guess that is an option. I'm still hoping for a turn-key reproduction diaphragm, though.
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Post by tomcatpc on Jun 3, 2020 17:13:01 GMT -8
Would it be possible to make a double layer diaphragm and not make it too thick and bulky? A more durable covering on the part that contacts with the wire clamp? Just a thought. Mark
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Post by vance on Jun 6, 2020 18:16:36 GMT -8
I just received a very useable 3d printed set of cages for the GL (or model A and B) from James. They work perfectly. He also sent me an H-P inspired mouthpiece with 1" hose adapters. He also makes 1 1/2" adapters for it. It is very light-weight. It is apparently designed around the 1 1/2" hoses, but I think he should make a smaller diameter mp body that works with 1" hoses exclusively. This should help with the too "floaty" feel. It should prove to be a great mp we can print at our local libraries!
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Post by SeaRat on Jun 7, 2020 11:57:09 GMT -8
I have gone back to either the USD hose/mouthpiece fro my Healthways Gold Label (GL) or the Healthways Hope-Page for my GL Hybrid. I simply don't like the original Healthways GL mouthpiece. I used to have three of them, and put silicone mushroom valves in my GL one. When that did not meet my expectations, I took one and, with my sharp poxpcket knife, carved out the wagonwheels on one set, so as to have only the deflector plate in the air pathway. That proved too much, as then there was some blow-by into the exhaust (even with the deflector plate. So I put an in CERT with the mushroom valve into the exhaust side of the mouthpiece,, and that seemed to balance it and give me the ease-or-breathing experience zi knew the GL could do, So I dived that a while, but them simply put them away and used the two combinations mentioned above. I ultimately gave away those three Healthways mouthpieces to one of our Board's participants.
John
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Post by tomcatpc on Jun 7, 2020 13:58:19 GMT -8
Honestly, I have never had a problem with the original (non Hope-Page) Healthways mouthpiece. Everyone looked at me like I was totally cray cray, but I did not have a problem with it. I have not dove my SCUBA since I put a Hope-Page, so i have no clue what I'm in for. Then again when I got my SCUBA I was not expecting a high performance regulator and for what it is...I enjoy diving it. Think I'm one of the few, but to each his own. Mark
I am looking forward to seeing what this whole Hope-Page hysteria is all about soon!!!
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Post by nikeajax on Jun 7, 2020 17:43:03 GMT -8
Mark, using a HP is like being a cat owner, as opposed to being a dog owner: people have their preferences... I do love me a good cat though! JB
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Post by vance on Jun 7, 2020 17:45:51 GMT -8
It's a very restricted mp/non-return valve system. It obviously worked for many divers for many years, but it can be vastly improved by a larger hoseloop. They throttled the performance down too far by putting a 7/8" non return in the loop. One has to wonder why.
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