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Post by SeaRat on May 5, 2020 7:53:54 GMT -8
Since I live very near Portland, Oregon, and since my first wetsuit was a White Stag wetsuit, I thought it would be nice to get a thread going on the White Stag regulators, and their other .equipment. Here is the White Stag DEEP I regulator:  IMG_1483 by John Ratliff, on Flickr  IMG_1482 by John Ratliff, on Flickr  IMG_1484 by John Ratliff, on Flickr The DEEP 1 first stage is rather weird, being a balanced, diaphragm regulator in a circular body. It breaths well, but parts are not available, and haven't been for decades. I have not seen another anywhere, either. John |
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Post by nikeajax on May 5, 2020 8:24:05 GMT -8
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Post by SeaRat on May 5, 2020 16:36:36 GMT -8
Here's how my DEEP II regulator looks right now. I haven't had time with my bicycle crash to put it back together, but these are the parts for the first and second stages.  IMG_1479 by John Ratliff, on Flickr  IMG_1481 by John Ratliff, on Flickr Here is the first stage end cap. Note the center is a cone, which should help keep the air turbulence down and direct the air toward the openings for LP hoses.  IMG_1480 by John Ratliff, on Flickr Here you can see the offset of the drilled holes for the LP hoses. Note that this also will keep turbulence down as the air rushes out the first stage end cap and into the LP hoses. John |
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Post by nikeajax on May 6, 2020 11:07:03 GMT -8
Here's my Deep-I that I still haven't worked on as I'm still needing that funky sized wrench to get the IP-adjuster off   Your Deep-II reminds me a lot of the HW Scubair-II:  Hmmmm? I wonder if it also shares a piston with USD Calypsos: the HW does! JB |
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Post by SeaRat on May 6, 2020 13:35:15 GMT -8
JB, I went on yrou Flikr site, and see that you also have that diagram enlarged and copied. Could you please post that in the above post, or in one below. It is the first time I've seen it, and it is an important addition to understand this regulator. The DEEP I first stage is, from what I can tell, the only design of its type. It is a "floating piston" that is under a diaphragm. So please do post that diagram. I just "found" on my Flikr area the photos I took of the DEEP I.  White Stag--007 by John Ratliff, on Flickr This is what the DEEP I first stage looks like broken down into parts.  White Stag Hard Shell U:W front view by John Ratliff, on Flickr Here I'm using the DEEP I regulator in the Clackamas River, along with a hard-shell BCD by White Stag too. I have mine set up with a safe second, LP inflation hose, and SPG.  White Stage Manual BC-1 by John Ratliff, on Flickr Here is the hard-shell BCD White Stag produced, along with a DEEP I second stage mounted on a Sportsways diaphragm J-reserve first stage. John |
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Post by nikeajax on May 6, 2020 13:51:31 GMT -8
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Post by vance on May 6, 2020 15:47:53 GMT -8
Nice diagram JB. Could you possibly tone down the background text? It's so busy that it makes us ADHD folks give up looking at it. I'd like to understand the stages on this reg. If it isn't possible, I'll deal, but I'd appreciate a clearer view?
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Post by nikeajax on May 6, 2020 16:21:58 GMT -8
PY, I'll send you and John a copy of it without the watermark: but it's there for a reason. I watermark the heck out of things that I don't want to show up on things like Pinterist  JB |
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Post by vance on May 6, 2020 17:23:10 GMT -8
PY, I'll send you and John a copy of it without the watermark: but it's there for a reason. I watermark the heck out of things that I don't want to show up on things like Pinterist JB Thanks! I get it. I don't have a problem with protecting what's yours. |
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Post by nikeajax on May 8, 2020 12:34:53 GMT -8
John, PY, check your personal e-mails...  JB |
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Post by herman on May 8, 2020 15:21:02 GMT -8
JB, do you mind if Phil forwards it on to me? It has me interested in maybe making a reg with that design and I would like to have a better copy to study.
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Post by nikeajax on May 8, 2020 16:46:20 GMT -8
Yeah, sure, why not! JB |
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Post by SeaRat on May 8, 2020 18:09:22 GMT -8
Well, my DEEP II regulator is back together, and I'm a bit disappointed. I thought that the IP was adjustable, but that turned out not to be the case. I thought that by unscrewing the thingy they call the "gland" I could increase the IP. The IPnstarted ad about 110 psi, but turning the gland (wee the parts diagram when I get it posted), counterclockwise (unscrewingit) I could increase the IP. So I did, 1/2 turn out. No change. So I tried another half turn, and not only could I not change the IP, I then could not depressurize the regulator. I had to turn the air off, then gently unscrew the yoke until the O-ring blew. Each time I tried to change the IP, I had to take the End Cap off, and remove the piston and spring. My conclusion now is that the only way to change the IP is the ol' fashioned way, with stainless washers.
In order to e en get the IP, I had to remove all hoses and replace them with plugs (2 each), leaving the third hole fro the gauge without a second stage attached. That's how tight the three LP ports are.
The second stage is exactly the same as the DEEP I second stage, and in fact has a lower serial number than my second stages on my DEEP I.
There is no way to change the orientation of the hoses either. With the solid yoke (I spelled it correctly this time), there is only a right-side orientation for the LP lines. And, I could nor place an adapter on the first stage due to the tight quarters for the holes.
So while this design works, it's design and ergonomics leave a lot to be desired. There are good reasons it did not last.
John
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Post by vance on May 8, 2020 18:17:12 GMT -8
Too bad.
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Post by nikeajax on May 8, 2020 18:22:36 GMT -8
John, shim the spring and you'll be sure to boost yer IP! I have a suspicion that the Deep-I wasn't cost effective to produce: I can see how people might be totally flummoxed by their construction too  JB |
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