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Post by SeaRat on May 8, 2020 19:26:01 GMT -8
John, shim the spring and you'll be sure to boost yer IP! I have a suspicion that the Deep-I wasn't cost effective to produce: I can see how people might be totally flummoxed by their construction too  JB Yes, that's what the stainless steel washers do--shim the spring. Here's the photo (a bit upside down (kinda like the design):  IMG_1491 by John Ratliff, on Flickr White Stag did have some good designs and I like the DEEP I design on the first stage. Their second stage is a nice-breathing design too. But the DEEP II first stage left me, like I said, disappointed. John |
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Post by snark3 on May 9, 2020 7:13:45 GMT -8
Hey John, Check out this first stage it's from the Sportsways W-600. The 1976 Sportsways catalogue lists the W-600 as having a flow through piston. It looks almost identical to your White Stag  IMG_0243 by Skip Yetman, on Flickr  IMG_0242 by Skip Yetman, on Flickr |
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Post by nikeajax on May 9, 2020 8:19:14 GMT -8
Skip, they're both made by Sherwood!  Just like you'll see a lot of regs that look like the Scubapro Mk.V, yep them're Sherwood too! JB |
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Post by SeaRat on May 10, 2020 19:11:21 GMT -8
Skip, they're both made by Sherwood! Just like you'll see a lot of regs that look like the Scubapro Mk.V, yep them're Sherwood too! JB Jaybird, To show the extent that they are alike, I exchanged my DEEP I yoke for a Sherwood Magnum-Blizzard 3000 psig yoke on my DEEP I regulator. They interchange nicely. I am going to be less disappointed now with my DEEP II regulator. I found one shim washer, and put it in, and also turned the gland out 1/2 turn. This seems to have boosted the IP (unmeasured) so that the second stage now breaths well. But, I developed a leak in the AMF Voit SPG, and so will have to tear it apart and maybe get new O-rings for it. Below are two diagrams for this DEEP II regulator.  White Stag DEEP II001 by John Ratliff, on Flickr This is the official White Stag diagram on how the first stage works. The second stage is on the back, but it is identical to the one JB posted above. This is a bit deceiving, as the valve is always open until the HP air is presented, and it closes. Without HP air, the spring pushes the piston away from the seat. But this is how they presented it, and the one with the "valve open" is what it looks like when pressurized and/or being breathed off of.  White Stag DEEP II002 by John Ratliff, on Flickr This is a copy of the National Scuba Repair parts diagrams for White Stag regulator first stages and a valve. On the lower right you can see the DEEP II regulator. John |
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Post by nikeajax on May 11, 2020 8:41:22 GMT -8
HUH, I wonder where Charlie is--I hope he's OK! I wonder if he can tell us anything about this reg of yours John, like what does the gland do if not boost the IP?
JB
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Post by SeaRat on May 11, 2020 15:59:29 GMT -8
HUH, I wonder where Charlie is--I hope he's OK! I wonder if he can tell us anything about this reg of yours John, like what does the gland do if not boost the IP? JB I don't know. Charlie, any ideas? Well, my work on this regulator is now complete. The HP leak at the SPG has been fixed, and the regulator sports a "new" silicone mouthpiece (the old neoprene one kinda melted). It is breathing pretty well, actually. So now the next step is an in-water evaluation, impossible right now with the restrictions, the pool is closed (and wouldn't let scuba anyway right now), and the Clackamas River, while inviting, probably is not available to me yet. So, I'll wait and see what opportunities arise. John |
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Post by theoldone on Aug 3, 2020 10:32:53 GMT -8
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Post by theoldone on Aug 3, 2020 10:36:11 GMT -8
I’m still using my White Stag for pool cleaning. I’m curious how old they are?
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Post by tomcatpc on Aug 3, 2020 11:48:23 GMT -8
I just brought up What-Stag on a post in the "Welcome Aboard" section.
I don't know anything about What-Stag so I can't help out, but sure someone on here can.
Mark
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Post by SeaRat on Aug 3, 2020 11:49:50 GMT -8
White Stag Scuba started out in the 1960s, first with custom wet suits, then with Scuba. Your regulator looks to be from the mid-1970s. This is "top of the head" firguing, but should be close.
John
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Post by tomcatpc on Aug 3, 2020 12:12:04 GMT -8
Is there any connection between Sportsways and White-Stag? Just had to ask because I see some similarities.
Mark
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Post by Seahuntjerry on Aug 3, 2020 12:57:18 GMT -8
how about the first White Stag regulator aka Northill .
jerry
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Post by SeaRat on Aug 4, 2020 9:24:11 GMT -8
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Just like you'll see a lot of regs that look like the Scubapro Mk.V, yep them're Sherwood too!
