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Post by spirou on Jan 22, 2022 14:09:47 GMT -8
Narghilé or Narguilé, it exist 2 label during the production but with no intern big difference, Narghilé meens in french hookah.
And you are right it is the second stage, and not a single stage he is feeding by a surface compressor or or bottles via mano-regulator, like a KMB.
Spirotechnique sell also a harness with a 4 litres bail out.
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Post by spirou on Jan 22, 2022 14:34:25 GMT -8
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Post by vance on Jan 22, 2022 15:48:05 GMT -8
I have been emailing back and forth with Luc, in France, who is a collector and Spirotechnique expert. He clarified the seat puck issue for me and sent me a much clearer drawing and parts list. I edited my earlier post with the new diagram.
Bec de Canard (duckbill)....love it.
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Post by SeaRat on Jan 22, 2022 15:56:05 GMT -8
I’m looking at these drawings, and saying to myself, I could do this with a set of twin 72s sitting on the bottom of my canoe and a line out to me with a hookah unit, sitting on the bottom of the river in 10-20 feet (3-6 or so meters) of water over me, and simply pull the canoe around. It would be a lot less weight on my back, but then I’d have to move the canoe to the river too. Oh well… John PS, note the valve-down configuration of the bailout botttle.
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Post by james1979 on Jan 22, 2022 16:10:22 GMT -8
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Post by SeaRat on Jan 22, 2022 17:38:05 GMT -8
James1979,
Actually, I have a small set of wheels I can put on the canoe. It's not that difficult. As I get older, lighter on the back shows promise for use.
A few years back, I dived under my canoe at the confluence of the Clackamas River with the Willamette River in the Portland, Oregon area. I enjoyed having the canoe over me, as it provided a lot of protection from any motorboats coming by, and I was flying the dive flag. With this configuration, and using hookah, it could make dives more enjoyable and last longer too.
I saw something unusual that I'd like to get photos of, that that was juvenile starry flounder in the sand on the bottom. These starry flounder were some 60 miles up the Columbia to the Willamette River, and up it to the Oregon City area where they were blocked by the Willamette Falls. I saw them, but need to document that too.
John
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Post by vance on Jan 22, 2022 20:33:04 GMT -8
John,
Check out the article I posted the link for a few posts back in this thread. The first Narghile regs were CG-45 type units, converted to second stage only.
A DA of course would be an easy conversion, what with the hookah port and all but where'd be the fun in that?
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Post by vance on Jan 26, 2022 13:30:05 GMT -8
I got the end plugs out of the valve bodies w/o resorting to ez outs. A lot of heat and the right screwdriver budged 'em. One needs a replacement, but the other two are ok as is. Here's the best valve body, showing the removable seat and the end plug. Both have o'rings on them.
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Post by SeaRat on Jan 26, 2022 16:42:08 GMT -8
It is similar, but not identical. The Narghile valve does use an o'ring in the poppet stem guide and one on the OD of the guide body, like the drawing. The description above seems to say that if the rod OD and the jet ID are equal, the air pressure inside the valve is null when closed, making it balanced? Prolly more to it than that. Maybe someone with more engineering experience could weigh in on that. The text seems to have many typos and punctuation errors which makes it very difficult to follow. I just came across an article that covers the history of the Spirotechnique Narghile (hookah) regulators. The original ones are converted CG-45s with the first stage parts removed, and are fed LP air from a remote first stage or hand pump. seveke.de/tauchen/altes/0artikel/tgs09-spirotechn-narguiles-campell-2016.pdf One or two subsequent models are also converted two stage regulators, but later ones (like mine) are purpose made second stage regulators w/o a first stage body. They are definitely not single stage regulators. I finally got around to reading this article. Thanks for mentioning it again. Yes, it incorporated the CG 45 earlier, then went to the special Narghile regulator. What is interesting to me is that the DA Aquamaster retained the hookah attachment throughout it’s life (including the Royal Aquamaster). Somewhere upstairs I have a National Geographic Magazine from the 1960s which shows an underwater archaeological project where the divers are diving hookah with the DA Aquamaster. In the USA, U.S. Divers Company incorporated all that into one regulator, while La Spiro decided to make a specialized Narghile (hookah) regulator. John
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Post by vance on Jan 26, 2022 17:16:36 GMT -8
I'm still mystified about the LP soft seat. People keep telling me it's a normal puck, like USD uses, but I tried putting one inside the square poppet guide, then screwing it on to the stem. That doesn't seem right. The end of the stem which pushes against the puck is convex, not flat. It ends up pushing the puck out of the hole in the square guide. The drawing clearly shows the seat going between the stem and the square guide. Maybe I'm supposed to glue the puck on the end of the stem, then screw on the square guide? Part #118114 (puck) clearly looks like it fits inside part #118112 (square guide). If that's so, then the puck seems like it should be bigger than a standard USD puck to fit inside.
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Post by vance on Nov 12, 2022 10:06:18 GMT -8
I did some work on these, including straightening and removing dents from the brutalized metal mouthpieces. I have two mps now that should be pretty good. The chrome is funky, and I may send one off for plating after doing some more body work. The one on the bottom right was squashed nearly flat in the center. I drove a piece of tubing through it to get it back to round-ish. Out of the 3 regulators, 1 is pretty nice, one is good, and the other pretty poor. I've seen worse, but there's a lot of chrome loss on it. I neglected to take photos of them when I got them, so their condition on arrival wasn't documented. Here's some photos of the 2 best ones, "after". They aren't completely assembled, yet.
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Post by vance on Nov 12, 2022 11:50:29 GMT -8
The best one with some tiny little hoses I have but didn't fit anything. Until now! They are CG-45 sized. The horns are smaller than the 1" found on most later regs.
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Post by vance on Nov 12, 2022 15:20:44 GMT -8
This might be the chest mounted regulator/upside-down tank experiment I always wanted to try! I just need to figure out a harness.
I have 3 cloth back mount harnesses (like the ones pictured above) in various stages of rot and corrosion that came with the lot of regulators. I haven't really checked them out, but at least these might be used as a pattern for a chest mount harness?
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Post by vance on Nov 15, 2022 15:29:02 GMT -8
The multi-talented JB made me a graphic label so I can get some printed for these regs. I'm going with a plastic sheet/foil maybe kina deal, rather than a metal badge. It isn't OEM, but it's way better than their stupid alu badges that corroded away in months. I have 3 regs, and the serial #'s for each are totally made up. The outside rim is gold or yellow, and the blue is as shown. Kew!! When I get one printed, I'll post a photo. Thanks, JB!
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Post by vance on Nov 15, 2022 16:26:29 GMT -8
I am also making an 8.5-9mm punch to make new LP pucks for the Narghiles.
The standard USD puck is too small, and squirts out the end of the poppet. I have some weird orange rubber sheet that I got somewhere, and will go to school on making pucks for these regs using that for practice.
James sent me a bit of silicone or maybe neoprene that I'll use for the actual seats. Photos to follow!
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