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Post by JES on Feb 27, 2006 20:13:24 GMT -8
Jerry, You might want to send that as a PM, and take your phone number off the forum. John SeaRat, You're right on the money! You never want to post private info. On a positive note, now that Linda has changed the forum to require everyone to login it's probably a little safer.
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Post by Linda on Feb 27, 2006 20:26:48 GMT -8
But anyone and everyone can still SEE the number.... Guests can still view everything. Whenever Jerry has Seahunt DVD's to sell or whatever, he has posted his number (in the past), so I guess he is up for whatever risks might be involved? But, yes, Joe and John, I cringe whenever I see a phone number, too! Hey, Jerry, (or Allan), didn't Dan already email the photos? Or am I thinking of something else? For some reason I thought Frans sent the photos to Dan, and Dan sent them to Allan. What do I know - I just work here.
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Post by JES on Feb 27, 2006 21:33:22 GMT -8
But anyone and everyone can still SEE the number.... Guests can still view everything... Doohhh! Linda, Thanks for clarifying that very important point.
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Post by Gomez' echo on Feb 28, 2006 3:06:32 GMT -8
Yes, I have seen the photos and have talked to the owner of the unit. Unfortunately the harness on that triple set is nylon, which means it was a reproduction. Not that reproductions aren't ok, I'd be out of business if they weren't, but we don't know for sure if the reproduction copied the original accurately. For instance, I have seen one photo that shows the original cotton webbing riveted like most of USDs were. Of all the projects with which I have been involved, this triple harness is becoming a real quandary. I have received some valuable assistance. But as for now, the jury is still out on this one. To be continued . . . . . Allan
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2006 19:26:59 GMT -8
Folks
Explain to me why any USD vintage harness has to be cotton? I've two sets of double harness that are nylon,,,,,,,,,,one I purchased in 72 with the bands and one that came on my 1961 twin 38's.....also USD......these are more flexable than the ones I purchased which are very stiff.............by the way, before I posted this, I had my wife confirm the older pair were nylon, they are, the ends of the wider shoulder support are melted off to prevent unraveling......
Anything before 1960 I can understand but the comment that nylon's are reproductions I do not understand........
All ears!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by duckbill on Feb 28, 2006 21:47:30 GMT -8
You may be right. I recently got two sets of USN doubles harnesses with stainless steel bands. Both sets are nylon and are pretty stiff. One set has melted ends, and the other has blackened metal ends. I don't really know what era they are from. Does anyone know about Navy harnesses? For all I know, they are using this style today, but my bands have J-valve rod clips on them. I'd sure like to know.
However, I would want any reproductions I buy to be canvas- much more comfortable than that stiff type of nylon webbing the Navy apparently had to endure.
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Post by Gomez' echo on Mar 1, 2006 3:47:06 GMT -8
From what I have gleened from recent sources and examples, the harnesses of the 1950's were cotton webbing. You are very correct that the 1960's harnesses were nylon. I have the ubiquitous, black "plastic" bac-pac of USD that showed up around 1959-1960. It lasted many years. It had plastic shoulder straps and nylon elsewhere. However, I reproduce the bands/harnesses of the 1950's. My originals from which I work have so far been of cotton. Now that is not to say that someone redid his original bands/harness later in nylon when the cotton wore out. And unfortunately cotton is notorious for rotting away. Sort of like the numerous original 18th century "Kentucky" flintlock long rifles with an 1820+ percussion locks. Everyone has almost always upgraded and improved on what they had. I am sure that some surviving nylon harnesses were just replacements. That being said, surely someone will "find" an original with nylon. That is was history is all about. New evidence shows up constantly. But for now, I try to reproduce what was (according to surviving specimens) made in the 1950's.
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Post by duckbill on Mar 1, 2006 8:42:33 GMT -8
I like the canvas. I dive a nylon-strapped harness for now, but I can hardly wait until I can get one of Allen's canvas harnesses. It is on my list. I have a couple vintage canvas harnesses, but won't dive them for preservation's sake.
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