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Post by surflung on Aug 28, 2014 8:42:11 GMT -8
Dale C... Canadian Manfish- On another forum, I read a really eloquent description of Vintage Diving by "DaleC". Previously I had seen some of his contributions on Do-It-Yourself equipment creations and modifications but, this time it was just his philosophical viewpoint on what vintage diving really is and his thoughts and words just framed it all so well. - On that same thread there was some discussion and question over what qualifies DaleC (or anyone else) to present this type of a definition of vintage diving. That bothered me so looked him up... I did some checking and found that he has a website: www.manfish.ca/- And on that website, I found numerous book reviews, articles, dives, projects, etc. I found DaleC's website to be an extremely valuable reference and I encourage anyone interested in vintage diving to check it out.
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Post by regulator68bj on Aug 28, 2014 9:35:15 GMT -8
Thanks "surflung" for the link
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Post by diverdon on Aug 28, 2014 9:55:27 GMT -8
Tanks surflung, I'll check it out too. I've been following the back and forth as well. Its a long thread but well worth following.
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Post by SeaRat on Aug 28, 2014 19:23:12 GMT -8
Thanks from Oregon too, Surflung. It's going to take me a while to get through that site.
John
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Post by dalec on Aug 28, 2014 21:08:28 GMT -8
Hi guys! Eben reminded me about this board and I just stopped by to see what was up. I've looked at the vintage scuba over the years but really hadn't checked out the forum that much (only so much computer time in a day). Thanks for the kind words about my site Eben. It's a work in progress and I really should dedicate some time to bringing it up to date. I also have a youtube channel coldwatervintage where I post my videos. Some are vintage oriented and others aren't. I have a couple of things in the works that I'll post about in the next little while. One is a dive trip to Jasper, Alberta to dive a WW2 experimental boat wreckage site Project Habakkuk or as it is commonly known, the Ice Ship. It's supposed to be pretty cold in Patricia lake and there's a bit of a hike involved, so I'm still debating just what sort of gear I will take but I think it will be vintage..like. The other thing is a rather interesting idea being put forward by a local GUE instructor. I often argue (in a good sense) with a well known GUE diver on SB about various outlooks of DIR philosophies vs other strategies in the recreational diving realm. Often presenting a counter argument based on my solo/self taught/vintage experiences. This instructor has proposed a unique idea by offering to put us through a GUE fundamentals course at no cost, so we can exchange ideas and put a fresh spin on old arguments. He is providing the course (pretty expensive), diving gas and any special equipment we may need. In exchange we (the students) will write about our experiences and I, in particular, about how taking the training may or may not have changed my outlook or how differing POV's might find common ground. It' a great offer and idea that I hope comes together as it will probably be followed by quite a few in that community. I thought it was pretty cool that he would think something good would come of such an exchange that he would foot the bill to make it happen. I know they think they will convert me to the dark side but I secretly plan to get them all in doublehoses by the end of the course  Cheers for now, Dale. |
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Post by regulator68bj on Aug 29, 2014 3:14:10 GMT -8
Sincerely hope in the months to come there is lots of "enlightening" subjects to keep you from falling into that "dark side" Nearly forgot, welcome
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Post by dalec on Aug 29, 2014 6:35:54 GMT -8
Thanks.
I'm off diving for the weekend.
Dale.
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Post by sitkadiver on Aug 29, 2014 9:15:10 GMT -8
Thanks for the link Eben. I have always enjoyed Dale's dive video's and insights. I am still a bit in awe of his Hawaiin pack. It is truely a thing of beauty.
And Dale, glad you're back on the forums, I've missed hearing from you.
If I may, can I respond a bit to the team diving concept? First off, I was diving a Conshelf XX, with the drysuit hose, SPG console and 1 reg for years. I enjoyed keeping things simple. No BC, No extra hoses. If I ran into trouble I always figured I could blow and go like I had learned in.
I think the real benefit of the team diving concepts is when you start adding complexity and gear to the diving equation. Like doing mixed gas diving with a set of double, a sling bottle and a couple can lights. At those times, procedure comes into play and relieves the diver of having to rely on a stressed out brain.
I'm wondering if all divers: Vintage, sport, beginners and Rescue etc. could benefit from the ideas and concepts taught in DIR/GUE classes. I think Open Water classes of old were very much taught that way. Many of the LA County and early NAUI instructors were ex-military and taught their civilian classes in a manner similar to what they learned in the military. And they taught the procedural way of doing things. IF this - THEN this: IF you run out of air, THEN buddy Breathe. IF you cannot buddy breathe, THEN drop your lead and swim up.
I never took a scuba class prior to 1987, so take what I say with a grain of salt, however, on a very ephemeral and conceptual level, there do seem to be some similarities between team diving training and early scuba training.
Anyway, sorry for gettin long winded Dale. It was good hear from you...... See what kind of discussions you start!
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Post by duckbill on Aug 29, 2014 9:37:02 GMT -8
Welcome, Dale. I'd like to see the original post mentioned by surflung. I couldn't find it in any of the usual places. If you could get me the link, surflung, that would be great. PM if necessary. ....THEN drop your lead and swim up. DIR/GUE teaches this? That's certainly not "Doing It Right". |
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Post by surflung on Aug 29, 2014 10:33:59 GMT -8
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Post by sitkadiver on Aug 29, 2014 12:30:29 GMT -8
Welcome, Dale. I'd like to see the original post mentioned by surflung. I couldn't find it in any of the usual places. If you could get me the link, surflung, that would be great. PM if necessary. ....THEN drop your lead and swim up. DIR/GUE teaches this? That's certainly not "Doing It Right". Honestly Duckbill, I don't know if they do or they don't. I was commenting more on the conceptual similarities of a procedural approach to teaching diving - than I was on the content. |
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Post by tomcatpc on Aug 29, 2014 18:11:32 GMT -8
I took a brief look at your site last night and liked what I saw. I plan to check it out again when I have more time!
Mark
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Post by SeaRat on Aug 30, 2014 22:04:42 GMT -8
Dale, I'm curious if you are doing your study of the pigmy sculpin in conjunction with a research institute of some sort, and whether your findings are going to be published? I have done a lot of observation of sculpins in the North Umpqua River and Clackamas River, and been photographing them for a number of years. I find that the double hose regulator allows me to get close to these little fish without scaring them, although the sculpins we have are a bit more aggressive than some of the other small fish. These sculpin are either the coastrange sculpin ( Cottus aleuticus Gilbert) or the prickly sculpin ( Cottus asper Richardson) from what I can tell from the range in my book, Freshwater Fishes of Canada by W.B. Scott and E.J. Crossman. I have a few photos of them that I have shared before, but am posting here.    John PS: Based upon the sculpins having 15 pectoral fin rays, and the dark, oval spot on the upper posterior of the first dorsal fin, I believe these are the prickly sculpin, Cottus asper Richardson. |
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Post by dalec on Sept 1, 2014 18:03:15 GMT -8
Hi guys,
Sitka, I think you have the right idea about this GUE/solo/vintage experiment. Part of it is the instructors wish to elevate debate/discussion by showing what is and isn't in the course and from my perspective it's to see if the course changes the way I dive or adds value etc... I hope it comes together because I think the mash up of ideas will be fun.
John, I don't know what will become of the project data. I never thought of it as a scholarly work in itself, rather more of a view of conditions that would guide researchers or give them insight into the natural environment of the fish.
I have talked to some people who have written papers and they think there is enough for one if I want to give it a try, learning how to phrase things in an academic sense. We've observed some new behaviors that may prove interesting.
DFO (Department of Fisheries and Oceans) has been less than enthusiastic about it, I suspect they don't consider non DFO research to be valid (?) and they seem, officially to be more concerned that we don't cause harm to the fish. Funny, because we only do in situ observation while they trap and destroy their samples. Unofficially, they have asked to use our photo's for some publication or reports and perhaps more interest will develop when we locate the breeding habitat (hopefully this year).
In the end, I may write a special interest book of the project containing everything and make a few copies for those who are interested.
Hey, Eben, I got your email. Sorry I didn't reply (I was away diving) but I hear you. I offer this little video I just made as a nod to some of those beliefs. Forgive the artsy effects, I was up late.
This is Pavilion lake on Saturday. A rockslide came down recently and I wanted to dive the area to see if anything was affected. Lucky for me, because I discovered an underwater river of cold water being fed by subterranean springs. Also shown are microbiolites, ancient calcified bacterial colonies.
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Post by surflung on Sept 2, 2014 7:07:24 GMT -8
- Wow that's a neat video Dale. What an interesting dive... Found the spring fed source, observed weird flora and fauna, and displayed a cool vintage gear set.
- I noticed a couple of things... What is that light colored cylindrical thing on your waist? And, I see you are carrying a snorkel on your shoulder strap. I've thought of slipping a snorkel into my weight belt and just let it hook on the mouthpiece... But I haven't tried it yet.
- I've been using a keeper/D-Ring on my weight belt for clip-on drop weights... But was thinking I might clip other things to it.
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