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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2005 16:49:37 GMT -8
Just for the fun of it........
Went diving Sunday at Lake Whitney. Youngest son, now 31, his gal and my wife.
Long story short, son used my wifes double hoser for the first time in his life.........be diving since he was 12.....said it breathed better than his new high dollar, top of the line,scuba pro reg. Was very impressed. Used my double tanks too....twin 45's. looks like vintage diving has another convert........and he was trending toward techie stuff.........
Wife did her first open water dive with me. Been teaching her before she takes a class and gets corrupted. The woman was afraid of the water two months ago. Started training first with her double hoser RAM.
Its fun to watch a new diver's eyes the first time they do an open water.......
Just figured someone would like to know..........
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Post by SeaRat on Jul 12, 2005 14:54:08 GMT -8
I'm glad to hear of your son's interest. I'd much rather someone be interested in the vintage style of diving than what some of the Tech divers are promoting.
For years now, I've been trying to make divers more efficient in the water. I'm more of a minimalist now, and seeing Tech divers with all that equipment, and all that drag on the water, seems counter-productive and in some cases dangerous (in current, for instance). Tech divers rely far too much too on their buoyance equipment to overcome their heaviness in the water, from my experience (limited with them as it is). To me diving is much like flying, where we are free to move in three dimensions with a simple kick of the fins; tech divers, in contrast, rely upon inflating and deflating their BCs to move vertically. It's like comparing soaring with ballooning.
John
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Post by nemrod on Jul 13, 2005 0:06:10 GMT -8
John I completely agree with you thoughts on this "Tech Trend". I feel their pendulum has swung so far to the equipment dependency thinking that to talk to them about our type of diving is like talking to an alien creature. This less I carry the better most of the time. James
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Post by Broxton Carol on Jul 13, 2005 1:53:18 GMT -8
John, I agree with you, and believe "less is better" as those in our sport proved years ago. The reason there is all this extra gear stressed for use these days is the money factor. Theres big bucks in that stuff for the shops that sell it, and thats fine, as they have to make a living. Fortunately we know better, and I always like watching the youngsters eyeballs get big, when I dive with my 2 hoser, a belt with a couple of weights on it, a mask and fins and an old t shirt and shorts........ cant forget them1 He he! I love the jokes about the D rings. I can honestly say I never owned one......... whatever they are Chucko
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Post by JohnA on Jul 13, 2005 5:14:58 GMT -8
I'm glad to hear of your son's interest. I'd much rather someone be interested in the vintage style of diving than what some of the Tech divers are promoting. For years now, I've been trying to make divers more efficient in the water. I'm more of a minimalist now, and seeing Tech divers with all that equipment, and all that drag on the water, seems counter-productive and in some cases dangerous (in current, for instance). Tech divers rely far too much too on their buoyance equipment to overcome their heaviness in the water, from my experience (limited with them as it is). To me diving is much like flying, where we are free to move in three dimensions with a simple kick of the fins; tech divers, in contrast, rely upon inflating and deflating their BCs to move vertically. It's like comparing soaring with ballooning. John John, I think you should specify tech from wannabe tech divers. My tech rig was as minimalistic (sp??) as safely possible. Unfortunately when diving tech you have no choice in some of what you take when diving in 200' of water breathing trimix. But by the end of my dive at the 20’ deco stop my wing would be virtually empty, I use twin alum 80’s with alum 40 stage bottle(s). But I cant count how many times I have been on recreational dives and have seen divers using doubles, stage bottles, H-valves with hoses and computers everywhere. I personally dress for the dive and take only what I know I am going to need. John
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Post by SeaRat on Jul 13, 2005 7:35:32 GMT -8
Hi John,
No offence intended. I am simply talking to the feeling of vintage diving verses the Tech diving I see. I have used other forums to talk about Tech diving, but here I'm simply discussing how I feel in the water. The freedom of movement, being able to swim upstream in a river for instance, that vintage diving offers verses the divers who dive with so much gear that they can hardly swim in the water. If we go back to the beginnings of diving, where SCUBA allowed divers the freedom from the restrictions that hard hat divers had to endure, this is what I'm talking about. When I dove last July 4th, and spotted the redsided shiners mating, I was in an area with heavy enough current that most of today's divers simply could not follow me. This is one reason I mostly dive solo too. I am more of an underwater naturalist, and like to observe fish. To do this, I need to be able to go where the fish are, and follow them to a certain extent. The double hose regulators allow me to get close to small fish without scaring them, and observe their behavior. The streamlining I have with this gear is a distinct advantage for the type of dives I usually enjoy. It's just a different perspective. The unfortunate part is that most Tech divers, or wannabe tech divers, have never experienced this freedom. I'm glad you have.
John
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Post by JohnA on Jul 13, 2005 8:24:25 GMT -8
None taken, and I completely agree with you, "todays" divers are extreemly overburdened with gear. I have dove a back bc since '76 and still use a very small wing w/backplate with 2" webbing. Where I have seen the most problems is that the diver is overweighted, courses do not teach proper balance.
As to the "ultimate steamlining", 2 weeks ago I was petting the shell of a green turtle off Jupiter (FL) in 50' of water, the turtles were everywhere, this turtle did not even flinch; mask, long fins, snorkel!
John
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