willo
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Post by willo on Nov 12, 2023 12:17:01 GMT -8
Sitting in front of me is a pristine DA Aqua-master AND a new in box phoenix first stage that I managed to score.
First up, I haven't found any good reference documentation on swapping out the nozzle.
The VDH site is kind of a mess a this point.
So, anyone have links to useful reference for this?
It looks like maybe I need a different pin and maybe pin pad for the phoenix nozzle...
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Post by snark3 on Nov 12, 2023 14:33:27 GMT -8
I believe when I bought my Phoenix the pin and pad came with it
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Post by vance on Nov 13, 2023 0:34:48 GMT -8
Hi, and welcome to the forum. Sorry for not responding sooner. I’m currently in Spain, and haven’t been keeping up for a few days.
I don’t have any experience with the Phoenix, but I understand it’s based on the RAM and uses parts that can be found in most balanced USD regulators. There are a couple of different hp seats that require different length pins. The new type should be used in these. There’s s recent thread on the Kraken that has information about this subject that you should read.
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Post by vance on Nov 13, 2023 0:40:32 GMT -8
With the correct pin, the swap should be very straight forward. To check pin length, put the pin into the nozzle an set the pad on it. If the pad is a bit proud of the nozzle end, it is the correct one. The old style will be too short. I forget the exact measurement, but there should be a small gap between the nozzle and the pin pad.
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Post by SeaRat on Nov 13, 2023 14:00:13 GMT -8
Just so you’ll know, there is a special slotted tool to use with the Aquamaster family of regulators to remove the first stage. Don’t try simply holding the box or horn to do this removal, and either or both may be damaged/bent. I’m trying to find my picture of this tool, but so far have not found it on my computer.
John
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Post by snark3 on Nov 13, 2023 14:43:16 GMT -8
Silent Explorers has a list with sizes of the pins. They also show the various pin pads
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Post by snark3 on Nov 13, 2023 14:46:57 GMT -8
Hi, and welcome to the forum. Sorry for not responding sooner. I’m currently in Spain, and haven’t been keeping up for a few days. I don’t have any experience with the Phoenix, but I understand it’s based on the RAM and uses parts that can be found in most balanced USD regulators. There are a couple of different hp seats that require different length pins. The new type should be used in these. There’s s recent thread on the Kraken that has information about this subject that you should read. Hey Phil while you're in Spain feel like picking up some Nemrod parts................................. |
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Post by james1979 on Nov 14, 2023 7:32:42 GMT -8
Sitting in front of me is a pristine DA Aqua-master AND a new in box phoenix first stage that I managed to score. First up, I haven't found any good reference documentation on swapping out the nozzle. The VDH site is kind of a mess a this point. So, anyone have links to useful reference for this? It looks like maybe I need a different pin and maybe pin pad for the phoenix nozzle... I replied on SB.... I have a pad and a pin out of a Conshelf you can try. Pad is good, pin may or may not be right length. If it's too long, just trim it to length. Respectfully, James |
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Post by herman on Nov 14, 2023 14:36:31 GMT -8
Luis is off diving but I an help. The Phoenix should have come complete with a pin, pad, gaskets and all of the internal parts (the internal parts are the same as a Conshelf or Titan so those are available), if you didn't get them, you will have to. Most of the stuff from a Titan or Conshelf will work but NOT the pin, depending on model, it's possible not the pad either- there are a couple models. If you have all the internals, the pins and pin pads are obtainable. The pins are custom size (not an off the shelf item)and are hardened stainless steel so DO NOT substitute just any pin, that is asking for problems. The only replacements I am aware of are off the shelf SS pins that must be cut to length. DO NOT try to cut them with pliers or a saw, they are hardened and will damage the pliers and/or the pin. You must cut them with a Dremel cutoff wheel or small grinder then tweak the length. I'm pretty sure I have the pin length written down somewhere if you need it. When installed in the Phoenix (with all internals installed), there should be about 0.040 inch of spacing between the pin and the Phoenix face and when depressed, it should rest on the Phoenix with NO space under it.
Hope that helps, let me know if you need more info, I have a lot of info on it.
Did a little digging, the pin is (Wrong size 0.006 ) should be 0.060 diameter, 1.33 in long and the spacing under the pad is 0.040 in. Pretty sure I cut them out of 1.5 stock.
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Post by antique diver on Nov 14, 2023 16:35:15 GMT -8
[quote author=" herman" Did a little digging, the pin is 0.006 diameter, 1.33 in long and the spacing under the pad is 0.040 in. Pretty sure I cut them out of 1.5 stock.[/quote] I think that pin diameter is 0.060" |
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Post by herman on Nov 14, 2023 16:41:30 GMT -8
Bleep, I fixed that in the SB post but not here, You are correct 0.060......I put in 1 too many 0s.  |
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Post by antique diver on Nov 15, 2023 6:36:05 GMT -8
Bleep, I fixed that in the SB post but not here, You are correct 0.060......I put in 1 too many 0s. Yeah, my keyboard acts up like that too. It's surely not my fingers. |
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