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Post by Broxton Carol on Sept 14, 2005 9:48:02 GMT -8
I just checked the web, and TROY SPRING IS OPEN! This is the first time in 2 years. This is a terriffic dive, with great setting, and great water too. If I remember, its about 85 feet deep. and mega clear!!! I will drive down the first weekend in October. Frogman Jack, has already committed, and Im trying to get ahold of J Valve John Philpot. All you other Florida guys get the lead out, and join us for TROY, ITCHNETUCKNEE HOLE, BLUE SPRINGS 123' BOTTOM SCRATCH, and likely lovely ALEXANDER SPRING TOO! Get the word out, and lets have some vintage fun. Ill have the compressor, so we will have air, way out in the "boonies"! Lets hear from you. Chucko
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Post by Broxton Carol on Sept 14, 2005 13:19:11 GMT -8
Here is a quick update, I have had 3 emails already and the weekend of the 8th seems most preferable so far. Either email me, or leave your thoughts here. Thanks, Chuck
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Post by pearldiver on Sept 23, 2005 16:48:17 GMT -8
Chuck, I'd love to dive with you all and I would go in a heartbeat if I didn't have inner ear trouble right now. Plus, Dohn is still recooperating from his arm surgury and can't go in the water yet. I will plan for next year though if you don't mind an old woman tagging along. I'm cave certified if you need a buddy. Gayle
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Post by Ron hearn on Oct 2, 2005 15:49:26 GMT -8
Attention: testy visitors risk being shot in Florida
Welcome to Florida, but avoid arguments or thanks to a new law you run the risk of getting shot, according to an ad campaign launched by a gun-control group.
The campaign coincides with a state law that enters into effect authorizing gun owners to shoot anyone in a public area who they believe threaten their safety.
The law, supported by the National Rifle Association (NRA), was approved by the state legislature in April. Governor Jeb Bush described it as a "good, common sense, anti-crime issue" when he signed it into law. His is a brother of US President George W. Bush.
Supporters call it the "Stand Your Ground" law, while opponents call it the "Shoot First" law.
Under the previous law gun owners had first to attempt to withdraw and avoid a confrontation, and were authorized to shoot the threatening individual inside their home or property.
Critics say the current law allows gun owners to shoot if they engage in a simple argument. Supporters say that criminals will think twice when they try to attack someone in public.
Before the law was "on the side of the criminal," said Marion Hammer, head of Unified Sportsmen of Florida and a former NRA president. "The new law is on the side of the law-abiding victim," Hammer said.
Enter the Washington DC-based Brady Campaign to Control Gun Violence. The group will run ads in US and British newspapers warning tourists planning to visit Florida that a "nervous and frightened" Florida resident could shoot to kill. "Warning: Florida residents can use deadly force," the ad states.
"If you are involved in a traffic accident or near-miss, remain in your car and keep your hands in plain sight. If someone appears to be angry with you, maintain to the best of your ability a positive attitude, and do not shout or make threatening gestures," the ad reads.
The Brady Campaign promises to also run ads in French, German and Japanese newspapers if they can stretch their budget. They also plan to hand out fliers and post signs on the Florida highways with the warnings.
"It is reasonable to make people know that while they're visiting Florida they should take the right precautions to avoid potentially being victims of violence," Brady Campaign spokesman Peter Hamm told AFP.
The group is named after Jim Brady, spokesman for president Ronald Reagan. Brady received a gunshot that paralyzed him when a mentally disturbed man shot Reagan in 1981.
Florida tourist authorities are hardly amused by the campaign.
"The Brady Campaign is one group's political agenda and not a safety and education issue," fumed Bud Nocera, executive director of Visit Florida, the state's tourism office, who described it as a "scare tactic" campaign.
"It is sad that such an organization would hold the 900,000 men and women who work in the Florida tourism industry, and whose lives depend on it, hostage, to their political agenda," he added.
Nocera said the campaign would have no impact on the millions of tourists that visit Florida, numbering 80 million in 2004.
"I can't understand why anybody would be opposed to telling visitors what the law is," said Hamm. "No state in America has ever passed a law like this one."
The Brady Campaign is "not telling anybody that they shouldn't visit Florida. My family and I vacation in Florida every Easter and were intending to do so. But I'm going to make sure that none of the people in my family get into a loud argument while we are there," he said.
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Post by jrvancealt on Oct 2, 2005 19:18:57 GMT -8
i like that law
but im a
republican
conservitave
gun loving
peta hater ;D ;D
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Post by duckbill on Oct 3, 2005 0:04:08 GMT -8
Mountains out of Mole Hills!
P lease E at T he A nimals
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Post by jrvancealt on Oct 3, 2005 5:54:21 GMT -8
our as we socalifornians like to say
people
eating
tasty
animals
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Post by Ron Hearn on Oct 3, 2005 6:45:54 GMT -8
Hi
I ran across that in the Boca Raton news paper, what will Mr Bush Jr do next, I'm sure it will do wonders for tourism.
Ron
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JohnA
Pro Diver
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Post by JohnA on Oct 3, 2005 10:26:11 GMT -8
The new law brings Florida into the mainstream of most other states as to the use of deadly force outside the home. The new Florida law does "expand" the use of Deadly force when inside the home, more so than other states, ie by changing the presumptions.
So, now you are as safe as in most other states and at greater risk in FL should you intend to burglarize a persons home.
John
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Post by jrvance on Oct 3, 2005 13:18:27 GMT -8
if a criminal was to come into my house with a gun out id want him deader than stone although im wondering how this thread got on this topic i think it needs to be moved to freerepublic.com so the viking kitties can take care of those mean trolls
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Post by duckbill on Oct 3, 2005 17:07:50 GMT -8
Guns don't kill people; Old double hose regulators kill people <read with sarcasm>. Isn't it funny how ignorance breeds fear? Hey, if nothing else, maybe the springs won't be as crowded for vintage divers At least the vintage divers can feel safer knowing the criminals are the ones cowering at home these days in the Sunshine State! There! Now I've brought the subject of this thread full-circle back to diving!
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Post by jrvancealt on Oct 3, 2005 18:00:07 GMT -8
good job there was a man named darwin....... ;D
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Post by JES on Oct 3, 2005 18:22:14 GMT -8
...There! Now I've brought the subject of this thread full-circle back to diving! Thank you! I know that I was hoping that it would return back to the "Florida Dive" and appreciate your efforts.
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Post by JES on Oct 9, 2005 14:39:19 GMT -8
Just got back from a day of diving Troy Springs with Broxton Chuck, Rob (1969ivan1), Rob's girlfriend Barbara and Rob's friend Wayne. Rob & I made 3 dives to 74 feet (all vintage, all the time ) and we were joined by Chuck for the final dive of the day (Chuck dove at Troy on Saturday and had made a couple of dives at Orange Grove Springs before joining us at Troy). The water was about 69-70 degrees and there was probably about 70-75 foot of visibility. It was great to see and dive with Rob & Chuck again and to meet (and dive with) Barbara & Wayne. As always a great time was had by all. Broxton Chuck, thank you for setting up the date and the location for this vintage dive.
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Post by JES on Oct 10, 2005 15:51:29 GMT -8
Broxton Chuck dove (what else) a Broxton double-hose regulator with a small Dacor Aluminum 50. Rob dove with a square label RAM that he had borrowed from Bryan P. for his first dive and then dove the next 2 dives with a black powder-coated DA-Aquamaster that looked incredibly like a non-magnetic UDT double-hose regulator. Barbara dove her first dive with Rob's new modern USD Mistral. I dove with my RAM attached to double steel 72's on the first dive only to have the RAM leak. I quickly replaced the RAM with my Trieste II and completed the first dive and then made 2 more dives with my Trieste II attached to single aluminum 80's.
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