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Post by cnotthoff on Apr 27, 2021 14:32:31 GMT -8
Might as well skip all those prescriptions you were picking up. Who knows what's in them.
Good Dives, Charlie
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Post by vance on Apr 27, 2021 16:41:57 GMT -8
Since we’re going to go on with this, here’s my take.
As long as someone adheres to masking, social distancing, and other approved measures to avoid contracting and spreading COVID 19 I don’t have a particular problem with people choosing to skip (heh!)l being vaccinated. Trouble is, many who are against being vaccinated are also against the prescribed precautions and put the rest of the population at risk.
It’s a shame that this has become polarized and politicized. This is not politics and it isn’t religion. It’s biology.
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Post by nikeajax on Apr 27, 2021 17:08:38 GMT -8
Here are a few more numbers to think about: as I am in Alameda County I always put the numbers for my area: Alameda County, CA Confirmed cases: 86,230 Deceased: 1,257
Suffolk County, MA Confirmed cases: 90,356 Deceased: 1,812
New York County, NY Confirmed cases: 134,360 Deceased: 5,603
Cook County, IL Confirmed cases: 530,975 Deceased: 9,911
Los Angeles County Confirmed cases: 1,191,253 Deceased: 23,802
Dade County, FL Confirmed cases: 480,483 Deceased: 6,130
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Post by nikeajax on Apr 27, 2021 17:56:43 GMT -8
There's also the misconception that the vaccine will keep you from getting the COVID virus: it will only make the symptoms less if you do contract the disease. Also, if you do get the vaccine, you can still spread it too... My wife and I went to see her friend: her husband is a pilot and flies all over the world. He was bellyaching that everywhere he goes he still has to be quarantined They also thought it odd that we keep our masks on while visiting JB
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Post by seabob on Apr 30, 2021 6:31:38 GMT -8
Well, I’m sure glad that my new friends on here “drank the Kool-Aid*” Scubamastefano, I’m curious how you would reply to my friend, who wrote this on Facebook: “Prayers for my son, Michael, who just recently was diagnosed with covid, and is now in the hospital. I love you Mike.” What would you say to her? John
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Post by seabob on Apr 30, 2021 6:43:48 GMT -8
First, I agree with Vance that this is a subject not really suited for this forum, but.... Just being in the hospital is not a death sentence. Many people recover and of course some do not. My son, daughter-in-law, niece and nephew all contracted it. They got sick, but were not hospitalized and completely recovered. Many have contracted it even after vaccination. It is not an exact sceince and I stand on my statement that it is not a vaccine in the traditional sense. It is mRNA encased in nano bits. Programs the body cells to create spike protiens. It was not officially authorized by the FDA, it was just given emergency use permission. No human studies were done and in all the animal studies the animals died. There is plenty of documentation from doctors and researchers who caution against it. Just depends which side you believe. Enough said.
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Post by SeaRat on Apr 30, 2021 8:28:01 GMT -8
First, I agree with Vance that this is a subject not really suited for this forum, but.... Just being in the hospital is not a death sentence. Many people recover and of course some do not. My son, daughter-in-law, niece and nephew all contracted it. They got sick, but were not hospitalized and completely recovered. Many have contracted it even after vaccination. It is not an exact sceince and I stand on my statement that it is not a vaccine in the traditional sense. It is mRNA encased in nano bits. Programs the body cells to create spike protiens. It was not officially authorized by the FDA, it was just given emergency use permission. No human studies were done and in all the animal studies the animals died. There is plenty of documentation from doctors and researchers who caution against it. Just depends which side you believe. Enough said. SeaBob, You have so many mis-statements here that they need to be addressed. First, the definition of "Vaccine." Note it states it is a "substance." mRNA is a substance. Second, you state, "...Programs the body cells to create spike protiens." No, that's not how it works. The spike protiens is used to show our antibodies what the virus "looks like" and react to it when it "sees" the actual virus. Because it is only the spike protien, and not the full virus, it is not going to produce sickness. The mRNA in the actual virus takes over a cell's mechanism to reproduce itself. But the spike protien, which is only the portal, or doorway, for the virus cannot do that in and of itself. Human studies have been done, and my wife (who is a hospital pharmacist) has read several of them. You can access them here: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sars-cov-2/It is the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), not the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), that authorizes these vaccines. The National Institutes for Health is handling much of the research. You can access more information here: www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html?s_cid=10496:covid%2019%20vaccine%20information:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21covid19.nih.gov/nih-strategic-response-covid-19Yes, people have caught this disease, COVID-19, and recovered. But many, many have died too. In this pandemic, it is best to protect yourself from this disease, and not ignore it. John John C. Ratliff, MSPH
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Post by nikeajax on Apr 30, 2021 10:12:23 GMT -8
I just got my second shot at 10:30 this morning! I'm reaaallllllllllly looking forward to seeing my friends again an' doin' stuff. Maybe, just maybe we can have our fall vintage dive get together in Monterrey JB
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Post by seabob on Apr 30, 2021 11:20:01 GMT -8
SeaRat:
Merriam Webster (online)
Feb 5th 2021 "a preparation killed microorganisms, living attenuated organisms, or living fully virulent organisms that is administered to produce or artificial increase immunity to a particular disease" (note: no mention or mRNA)
definition changed as of Feb 6th 2021 (to accommodate covid vax)
a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious disease. a :an antigenic preparation of a typically inactivated or attenuated (see ATTENUATED sense 2) pathogenic agent (such as bacterium or virus) or one of its components products (such as a protein or toxin)
b :a preparation of genetic material (such as a strand of synthesized messenger mRNA that is used by the cells of the body to produce an antigenic substance (such as a fragment of a virus spike protein
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Post by SeaRat on Apr 30, 2021 12:45:17 GMT -8
SeaBob,
I’m glad Merrium Webster is keeping up. You realize that the definition you posted allows the COVID-19 vaccine to be called a “vaccine,” don’t you? I know it is difficult for those without a medical or scientific background to understand this, but our knowledge of COVID-19 has been really accelerating, and that’s why my wife has been reading the science on COVID-19. I have a set of dictionaries in my formal room which date back to 1948, when we were diving the CG45 or Aqualung regulator. It’s called the New Century Dictionary, and I keep it for historical information, and because I got it from my Mom.
The links I gave you are not easy reading, even with the abstracts. But this is what the doctors and health professionals use to determine how to treat, and prevent, COVID-19. The answer is the same now:
—Get vaccinated! —Wear masks when appropriate (in crowds). —Keep your distance from other potential carriers. —Wash hands after being out, 20 seconds, with soap and water. —if exposures, stay isolated from others for a few weeks.
CNN, which we were watching this morning, has the total count of dead from COVID-19: somewhere above 570,000 people dead! If you don’t think it’s much of a problem, take a look at what’s happening NOW in Brazil and India.
John
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Post by fishnbeer on Apr 30, 2021 14:12:13 GMT -8
Ok enough is enough. My 2 cents worth- I don't come to this forum to discuss issues not related to vintage diving. I recently got my 2nd vaccine shot only because I am planning a dive trip to the Bahamas & possibly Mexico this fall. Thank God I live in Placer County, one of the last bastions of Conservatism in Kalifornia. Our county had only 288 deaths out of 21,605 cases, that's very fortunate. That's a 98.7% survival rate. I don't plan to live the rest of my life in fear. So those of us on different sides of the political spectrum, let's just agree to disagree and get back to good old discussions about Vintage Diving. 😁
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Post by nikeajax on Apr 30, 2021 15:23:42 GMT -8
Stephan, people respect Dacor gear, like driving a Chrysler product, you're just an oddball, USD and SP are like Ford and GM, every nut and his uncle use them, but Healthways gear is like American Motors, you're highly suspicious and may be depraved: I am a self proclaimed weirdo and fly my freak-flag as high as I can get it. Most folks like Winchesters or Remington, give me lever action Marlin or a Tobin Arms side by side: Just get down and get funky with yer bad self! JB
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Post by vance on Apr 30, 2021 16:05:53 GMT -8
Ok enough is enough. My 2 cents worth- I don't come to this forum to discuss issues not related to vintage diving. I recently got my 2nd vaccine shot only because I am planning a dive trip to the Bahamas & possibly Mexico this fall. Thank God I live in Placer County, one of the last bastions of Conservatism in Kalifornia. Our county had only 288 deaths out of 21,605 cases, that's very fortunate. That's a 98.7% survival rate. I don't plan to live the rest of my life in fear. So those of us on different sides of the political spectrum, let's just agree to disagree and get back to good old discussions about Vintage Diving. 😁 To your point, that's right. You got vaccinated. You did what you had to do to get the world back to normal. But this isn't what you want from this forum. Me neither. We aren't here to discuss politics. I am probably 180 degrees away from you on your political perspective (due to quotes about Conservatism, Kalifornia, etc,). Not a problem. That doesn't mean (I truly hope) we can't meet up and have a great time together doing what we love. We have met at Monterey in past years, and I hope we are friends. I have nothing but good memories of you. I am hopeful that we can meet up with you in the future, discuss vintage diving, talk about our families, and other interests without this b/s conflict.
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Post by SeaRat on Apr 30, 2021 17:32:14 GMT -8
Okay, let me give some perspective on why this is a real topic for this site. Last summer I had a dive with a dive buddy in an area we had not dived before. Because of COVID-19, my buddy had not done anything in several months. Here is the result: My response to this emergency with the float was in part due to precautions I was taking, as I highly suspected that my buddy actually had COVID-19, and that resulted in his emergency (we found out later, after he got tested, that he did not have COVID, but was simply out-of-shape for the dive). Because of the pandemic, I took precautions on how I responded to this situation. Now, my LDS has told me that PADI has given them some rather strict requirements for their instruction of divers. I just looked up NAUI's response, and found these links: blog.naui.org/message-to-our-dive-community-about-covid-19/blog.naui.org/naui-training-bulletin/I want to emphasize that this pandemic in non-political. It has nothing to do with whether we are Democrats or Republicans. It kills and sickens indescriminately, like all diseases. What has happened in the USA is that the pandemic has been policized, and responses by Republicans are different than responses by Democrats. Independents have a mix of reactions. But, as a disease, COVID-19 could care less whether you and I are Republican, Democrat, or Independent. Note that this is primarily addressed to USA citizens, as it will sound really ridiculous to absurd to people outside of this country. John
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Post by fishnbeer on Apr 30, 2021 18:40:14 GMT -8
I concur Phil we are friends and I can't wait till we meet again in Monterey for the next vintage dive in. In fact I am currently in Monterey camping at the Navy campground for for the weekend. Though I was not able to dive, I plan on coming back down in a few weeks and get wet. Keep blowing bubbles my friend.
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