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Post by vance on Apr 1, 2023 15:00:11 GMT -8
These old West "Heroes" were thieves, robbers, pimps, hustlers, and murderers. I don't understand why they are revered.
I recently went to Missouri and stopped by Jesse James' house in St Joseph. My great grandparents lived 2 or three houses down the hill from Mr. Howard, aka Jesse James.
I went there because of the memory of an 1880s(?) photo my GM had from her parents of the street they lived on in St. Joseph showing JJ's house. My grandmother would not hear a word against Jesse, who she thought of as Robin Hood (You know, robs the rich and helps the poor), although Jesse had been killed long before her birth.
While the James boys' stories are sad, having been in the Civil War and feeling disenfranchised, their solution was to rob and kill.
Can't get behind that.
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Post by nikeajax on Apr 1, 2023 15:56:13 GMT -8
Hmmmmmm? I agree that they are not heroes, or good people, but they are interesting none the less. But then you have people like Leland Stanford, William Rodolph Hearst and Henry Ford, who people love because they robbed and murdered people "legally" while making their fortunes.
Jus' sayin'...
JB
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Post by SeaRat on Apr 1, 2023 17:35:27 GMT -8
The 1950s movie industry is largely responsible for making some of these guys "heros." I do not like them though, as they had ethics which are diametrically opposed to mine.
John
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Post by nikeajax on Apr 1, 2023 18:02:13 GMT -8
John, while that is partially true, they became "folk heroes" because people like the Jame Younger gang helped out the poor while banks and "people in charge" were raking them over the coals. You may have heard about this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fireThe owners got away with only a slap on the wrist because they could buy their freedom. Someone like Tiburcio Vásquez was popular because he could get away with "sticking it to the man": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiburcio_V%C3%A1squezAgain, I'm not saying what happened was good, only interesting, and more so, that Black Bart did what he did without killing anyone, I enjoyed the irony! JB |
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Post by vance on Apr 1, 2023 18:45:31 GMT -8
Hmmmmmm? I agree that they are not heroes, or good people, but they are interesting none the less. But then you have people like Leland Stanford, William Rodolph Hearst and Henry Ford, who people love because they robbed and murdered people "legally" while making their fortunes. Jus' sayin'... JB Very true. They were horrible as well. Hearst was a murdering thug. He was responsible for the deaths of many Cornish miners. |
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Post by nikeajax on Apr 19, 2023 13:26:38 GMT -8
Not that this made me smile, or happy, but I did appreciate the heck out of the idea behind it:
JB
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Post by scubalawyer on Apr 20, 2023 18:12:10 GMT -8
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Post by Jim Perdway on Apr 20, 2023 18:18:34 GMT -8
Sea Hunt for the right and left screen, forum and lawyer stuff on center?
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Post by SeaRat on Apr 20, 2023 19:01:55 GMT -8
John, while that is partially true, they became "folk heroes" because people like the Jame Younger gang helped out the poor while banks and "people in charge" were raking them over the coals. You may have heard about this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fireThe owners got away with only a slap on the wrist because they could buy their freedom. Someone like Tiburcio Vásquez was popular because he could get away with "sticking it to the man": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiburcio_V%C3%A1squezAgain, I'm not saying what happened was good, only interesting, and more so, that Black Bart did what he did without killing anyone, I enjoyed the irony! JB JB, The Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire is one I knew something about, but reading about it again was great. Thank you! This fire actually precipitated the formation of an organization I’ve been a member of since the early 1980s, the American Society of Safety Engineers (ASSE), which is now the American Society of Safety Professionals (ASSP). I still am a member, some 10 years after retiring. John |
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Post by nikeajax on Apr 21, 2023 8:52:26 GMT -8
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Post by nikeajax on Apr 22, 2023 11:32:06 GMT -8
DRW, I think you might enjoy this one: This guys work is absolutely brilliant: I'm in total awe of his creativity  Enjoy, JB |
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Post by Aquala1 on Apr 22, 2023 15:39:59 GMT -8
Here are a few that came across my FB feed and made me smile. Enough to forward them on to my boys.😀   |
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Post by SeaRat on Apr 22, 2023 16:01:12 GMT -8
I’m not sure that ejecting out of that jet was a good idea. It doesn’t look like he has a “zero-zero” ejection seat (one that will safely deliver you at zero airspeed and altitude). If I were him, I would simply have gotten out of the cockpit and ran.
John
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Post by Aquala1 on Apr 24, 2023 15:48:35 GMT -8
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Post by SeaRat on Apr 24, 2023 16:29:45 GMT -8
I'm glad he got out. It was definately a zero/zero ejection seat. If he had not gotten out when he did, he probably would have been badly burned. John |
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