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Post by nemrod on Jan 8, 2006 11:07:12 GMT -8
At vintagedoublehose.com there has been quite a bit of activity concerning making a Vintage Scuba Card. There has been vote on the design and several folks are looking at how to make them, cost etc. The design that won the contest is beautiful and will be a two sided card. This is not a money making scheme or any of that. The cards will be a serious effort and will look totally real--because they are!
I realize not everyone on this forum checks in on the other forums so I wanted folks to know this effort was being undertaken.
The name---- NAVED---National Association of Vintage equipment Divers.
The card has a picutre of vintage equipment on it and on the back will have the members oicture and other info. As it stands now all vintage divers will be "Master Divers".
We (all of us) are not actually forming an organization per se, there will be no one to sue, PadI won't go out of buisness (and they are a buisness), our new organization--for now--is in our minds and hearts and whenever and wherever we gather to dive.
The who, what, when, where, cost and exact specifics are still be worked out and there is much to do but we need everyone to get in on this to make it a go.
This pretty much grew out of a fireside chat at Wazee 05. This is a group effort.
Nemrod
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Post by Ron Hearn on Jan 8, 2006 17:52:50 GMT -8
Hi
Great idea, I'd love to have one, but as a person offering a card, don't you need to put togethor some type of training program and teach it before you can give cards out that say you are certified diver in the use of vintage diving equipment. Isn't there some type of legal aspect to doing such things in the wacky legal world of the United States.
Ron
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Post by nemrod on Jan 8, 2006 18:35:13 GMT -8
Ron, it is like this, we are going to do it, lawyers be dammed. The card is not a C card, it merely says we are vintage equipment divers which we are, no misrpresnetation, no mistruth, we are vintage divers. You still have your NAUI or YMCA C card. This is not a C card, like I said, it simply signifies our membership in an informal club. This has all been discussed. I belong to a number of organizations, all of which offered a card and none of which--mostly---signify anything other than my memebership in the group. This is not a C card.
In fact, we have not fully discussed the mission statement of NAVED but my suggestion would be something like----
To facilitate the friendship and informal contact between divers and collectors of vintage scuba gear.
Last I checked there is no law agaisnt discussing with, diving or meeting with other persons of similar interests in vintage scuba gear.
No worries.
Nemrod
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dbg40
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Post by dbg40 on Jan 9, 2006 16:25:14 GMT -8
I think it's great! Just a fun membership in a "good ol boys" (and girls) club. I can't see any possible retalliation from lawsuits. Thank god!
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Post by treasureman on Jan 12, 2006 11:16:15 GMT -8
Looks like thgis Vintage card is geting a life of its own.
If you dive Vintage Gear, this is a must have. Aside from the fact the card is way too cool , it lends an air of legitimacy to what we do. I know up here in the frozen north, it will snap a few charter operators back from their "old gear bad, D-rings good) type of attitude.
For no other purpose in that it shows what sort of diver you are.
Anyway, It looks like a card maker will be selected shortly, and the order put in. get them now on the first run.
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Post by RMannix on Jan 12, 2006 12:39:32 GMT -8
Hi Great idea, I'd love to have one, but as a person offering a card, don't you need to put togethor some type of training program and teach it before you can give cards out that say you are certified diver in the use of vintage diving equipment. Isn't there some type of legal aspect to doing such things in the wacky legal world of the United States. Ron I have to agree with Ron here. Having a card without training has already been done by PADI |
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Post by JES on Jan 12, 2006 13:19:10 GMT -8
FYI, They are looking to actually purchase cards very soon. If you are interested please make sure that you let it be known. You can simply post your desire here and someone will count your post as a desire to have one. The cost should be very low and like Nemrod stated, no profit is being made. Anyone can get a PADI/NAUI/SSI/etc card.  Come on, you know that you want one.  |
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Post by JES on Jan 12, 2006 13:27:59 GMT -8
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Post by mossback on Jan 12, 2006 14:28:05 GMT -8
This card doesn't say ones a certified diver. It says one is a diver of vintage equipment. You'll need to provide your certified diver card as well to get service.....the vintage card just will (hopefully) eliminate the hassles
one incounters when using vintage equip. Or just to show off member ship to this great bunch of associates.
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dogfix
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Post by dogfix on Jan 12, 2006 14:33:34 GMT -8
Put me on the "Want One!" list.
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Post by Linda on Jan 12, 2006 20:59:02 GMT -8
I checked out the link provided by Joe and saw the artwork... If that's all yer wantin' you could make those for free, eh? I think I could, anyway... They'd have to be laminated, though. I would just do the printing and someone else would have to provide the lamination. I am proficient in Photoshop and I have a photo quality printer as well. I also have on hand some bright white, acid free card stock (that I print my art prints on). I would need the artwork sent to me at a resolution of 300 dpi or higher, and each individual portrait photo, as well... And also the finished card size? If you want to send them to a printer, a run of only 20 cards will cost you quite a bit, especially with each one different from the next. Granted they may be of better quality than "home-made" or maybe NOT... But since the whole project is "just for fun", what the heck? I guess someone can let me know if they want me to give it a try... I would write the "National Association of Vintage Equipment Divers" and offer my services in person, but I bet it doesn't exist....  |
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Post by nemrod on Jan 13, 2006 1:38:49 GMT -8
Linda, can you do double side printing? Original NAUI cards were cdouble side paper. I don't see anything wrong with a laminated paper card. My NAUI Advanced Diver card was the last paper card I got from NAUI and I laminated it and it has held up nicely . Later NAUI cards I have gotten were embossed plastic.
"I guess someone can let me know if they want me to give it a try... I would write the "National Association of Vintage Equipment Divers" and offer my services in person, but I bet it doesn't exist...."
Well, perhaps, but then Santa Claus also exists only in the hearts and minds of people. Besides, it would take very little to set up a NAVED Home Page with links to the vintagescuba.com and vintagescubasupply.com and other interesting links to personal homepages, vintage sites, events. NO FORUM--we have enough forums to keep up with--lol. Maybe a members only section where people could get contact info to find local dive buddies etc.
You have to start somewhere and before getting to complicated we just want to start with a nice card that identifies us as Vintage Divers and what if anything comes next will find it's own way.
Just speaking for myself but, yes, why not see what your attempt would produce, it may be the best alternative for a small number of cards.
James
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Post by Linda on Jan 13, 2006 11:32:14 GMT -8
See, that's where Photoshop would come in... because I am not sure whether I could do it or not! The alignment would have to be perfect, so I would use Photoshop to align the images on a new document... One side would have to be printed first, and then the paper re-inserted to print the second side (hopefully in exactly the right spot). Another way would be to just go ahead and print the two pieces separately on slightly thinner card stock. Then just plant them back to back, and send them through the laminator. Your finished card would be double-sided and no one would be the wiser (nor would they care, I wouldn't think ). Just throwing out some ideas... It might be that most people would rather have a plastic card, more like a driver's license? Or even just a full color glossy card with UV coating... And obviously I could do neither of those. Hey is the card available to people outside the US? If so, shouldn't it be the "INTERnational Association of..." ? |
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Post by nemrod on Jan 13, 2006 11:53:56 GMT -8
"Hey is the card available to people outside the US? If so, shouldn't it be the "INTERnational Association of..." ? "
Well, we put up a lot of names in addition to designs and asked people to vote. We voted and this is the one that was the final winner--NAVED. I did not vote for it, I voted for Vintage Scuba Association but NAVED was the HUGE winner. Everyone had a chance to vote on a number of titles. I feel we should all get behind the winner and make it a success and like other organizations including NAUI it will be available worldwide to vintage fans. Perhaps when we are huger than PadI we will open an international division--lol.
I like your ideas about the use of two pieces of paer laminated, I think I may have suggested that. We are also pursuing several other lines. None are chosen yet--still researching but we want to make this happen soon.
Lisa, a regular here and at vintagedoublehose fourm, has put up the majority of designs and all the designs which were voted upon including the name vote are on that forum.
James
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Post by Linda on Jan 13, 2006 13:04:18 GMT -8
Well since it's all just for fun at this point, you could make yourself a card for that one, too... Then you'd be a card-carrying member of BOTH organizations! ;D I believe the Inland Divers Vintage Dive Club already has cards with member numbers, etc. although they aren't full color like this... ? I don't know. Wouldn't be hard to make, though. Obviously as a non-diver I am not interested in having a card for myself, but let me know when you guys get a decoder ring.. I've always wanted one of those.  Just kidding... Hopefully NAVED will be as big as HDS someday!  |
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