JohnA
Pro Diver
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Post by JohnA on Mar 20, 2006 6:58:51 GMT -8
It is not the diver (who signed the waiver) that will be your potential litigant, it will be the family of the diver, no waiver can waiver the families rights.
As long as you go forward knowing that you are making a non-standard part for vintage gear that may (and likely will) be used as life support equipment down to 200’ deep (as evidenced by some of the posts on this forum). Not to mention that the part will likely will be installed by the purchaser who may not have any “formal” training.
My only advise is to stamp in very large red letters that this part needs to be installed by a factory trained (on the original regulator) scuba technician and that you are not giving any warrantees, expressed or implied, as allowed under the law.
So, where does this leave you, right were you started, and chances are you will sell so few of them and that the divers using them will likely be better trained and more conservative than 99% of the diving public at large, your pretty safe.
John
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Creed
Pro Diver
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Post by Creed on Mar 20, 2006 7:20:04 GMT -8
Perhaps the answer is to form a corporation. Then, your personal finances are entirely separate from your business, and if someone sues the pants off of you, they can only get the corporate assets(in most cases; I am not a lawyer). In fact, perhaps all of the people who now produce parts on their own should join in and form that corp. Then, you can purchase liability insurance for the group, and divide the profits on a product basis. Just a thought.
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Post by seakrakken on Mar 20, 2006 23:10:49 GMT -8
Luis, I am so happy that you were able to work out a means of including LP ports into the design. ;D I don't care about legalese issues but, if you need a waiver signed in blood from me for mine than so be it.
A Salute to you for what you've done and are doing for us.
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Post by pescador775 on Mar 22, 2006 15:56:19 GMT -8
Luis, place me on the list. I'll PM details and/or send $ when you decide to go ahead with this. A waiver is no problem.
Pesky
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Post by Broxton Carol on Apr 29, 2006 4:56:39 GMT -8
Luis, I have not seen ANYTHING about your new nozzles for a long time. Do you have an update? Thanks. Chucko
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Post by luis on Apr 29, 2006 14:28:08 GMT -8
HI Chuck
I should have the first small batch from the machine shop early next week. This ones will have the HP and Low Pressure ports.
After I test them, stamp the HP ports, and a serial number; Bryan is going to take care of have them plated.
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Creed
Pro Diver
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Post by Creed on Apr 30, 2006 9:34:50 GMT -8
Is there any price tag on them yet?
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Post by luis on May 2, 2006 12:48:37 GMT -8
The plan is still $150.
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bsea
Regular Diver
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Post by bsea on May 2, 2006 21:14:44 GMT -8
I'd be very interested in 1 of the nozzles when they are ready. I've read all the posts in this thread, and wonder if you will be selling to anyone who is a member in this or the Vintage Double Hose Forum. While I don't post allot, I do read many of these post
I'm slowly getting into vintage diving, and have even generated some interest at my lds. We are planning to have our 1st vintage dive early this summer. But right now I am only 1 of 2 around the shop that currently have working double hose regs. I think we are really just going to let others that have an interest try out some gear.
Having said all this, I have a DA, that works, but not near as well as my Snark. That's why I'd like to convert it using 1 of your nozzles. Then I would make it my primary double hose since I would then be able to service it regularly with new parts.
So if you'll be selling to any member of the forum, then put me down for 1. But if you will only be selling to members you know, I can certainly understand.
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Post by luis on May 3, 2006 1:46:03 GMT -8
I am not planing on restricting them just to the people I know (as in met in person). They will be restricted to members of this two message boards. Number of post is irrelevant.
At this point I am planning on having a waiver/ contract that you would have to sign. It basically will say that you are fully responsible for using that part. I still need an attorney to look at my waiver/ contract agreement. Each nozzle will be serialized.
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Post by scubajim1 on May 3, 2006 5:38:40 GMT -8
I would like to get one also. ;D
I have two DAs and a Royal Aqua Master. I would love to get one of the DA to perform like the Royal.
Please inform me when you are ready to start selling them.
Scubajim1
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Post by swimjim on May 4, 2006 5:08:32 GMT -8
Luis, you can chalk me up for a nozzle when they become available. Its been awhile since I read through this thread and perhaps I missed this. I'll apologise in advance if I did, but when one upgrades a DA using this new nozzle the regulator can then be used with 3000 psi service, is that correct? If so, does the yoke need to be upgraded as well? Thanks
Jim
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Post by luis on May 4, 2006 6:18:03 GMT -8
The nozzle / 1st stage body is design to accept the new Conshelf or Titan yoke. I prefer the Titan because it is not threaded, it uses a retaining nut and it swivels better.
This yokes are rated for 3000 psi (I have seen some stamped with 4000 psi).
You can also use the DIN fitting from a Titan.
The nozzle will not accept the original yoke.
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Post by crimediver on May 4, 2006 10:38:24 GMT -8
Luis,
Would there be any advantage in using a Titan DIN with a yoke adapter to allow the regulator to lie closer to the diver's back vs. just using a yoke?
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Post by luis on May 4, 2006 11:17:38 GMT -8
The new nozzle / 1st stage body is already taller than the original one. It helps bring the regulator closer to you if you use a back pack (or an aluminum 80).
The combination you are suggesting will make it even taller. As long as it doesn't interfere with a back pack (if you are using one) I don't see a problem. With a harness, the regulator would be pressed against your back. You couldn't get it any closer to your lungs if you positioned it right.
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