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Post by JES on Jul 4, 2008 5:27:37 GMT -8
PADI has approved of my "Vintage Equipment Divers" specialty. .... Tim Tim, Are there any updates WRT your course?
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Post by time2dive on Jul 4, 2008 9:14:39 GMT -8
I have gotten approval from PADI to teach my vintage diving course. They called me and requested that I use a BCD for the students in the ocean, however nothing was ever put in writing. Other than that the course was approved as written. The instructor or a divemaster must have an alternate air source for safety equipment and I must carry the insurance for my students to use my personal dive equipment during class. The skills that I am teaching are proper buoyancy control without a BCD and buddy breathing. They also must learn how to figure their air consumption rate so they can have an idea how long to plan a dive without guages. The rest of the class is about the vintage equipment itself. The primary purpose of this class was to be able to introduce divers to diving with vintage diving equipment and at the same time to be able to be covered by my insurance. Friends I trust, strangers scare me.... The shop I work for is supporting me, they see it as a unique way of getting new or different customers on our boat, I like it because I will be able to use my vintage gear while working..... it beats filling tanks.
Tim
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Post by Turtleguy9 on Jul 4, 2008 23:03:19 GMT -8
Aloha And good job. I am glad someone finally did it. Turtleguy9
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Post by time2dive on Jul 4, 2008 23:27:19 GMT -8
If anyone is interested, I have the course outline that I submitted to PADI as well as the class material that I wrote in PDF format.
Tim
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Post by luis on Jul 5, 2008 4:06:20 GMT -8
Can any other PADI instructor offer the same vintage equipment specialty using your course outline or is approval has to be obtain on a cases by case bases?
In other words, can it be considered now a standard specialty…or is it too early to jump into that conclusion?
I think this can be a great step forward.
For class purpose, wearing a horse collar is not at all unreasonable. Lets not call it a BC between us, but do call it a BC for PADI…at least for now. If it is only used for surface flotation or an emergency, IMO it is very vintage.
In the first few courses you may not want to have the students use 60’s style Mae West horse collar, but there is plenty of other horse collars from the style of the early 70’s that would pass the BC label and can be used just as surface flotation.
Good luck And thanks for following up with this.
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Post by luis on Jul 5, 2008 7:46:21 GMT -8
Hi Tim
I just re-read your post from May 15, were you said that a horse collar was not allowed as a BC. OK, I think that I have a solution for training purpose. The students can use a wing style BC with a back pack (it could be a vintage style back pack).
For the purpose of the class they would have the inflator attached, but would not be used. They can totally ignore the existence of the back inflate BC (wing). The wing would have no air.
They could even use a Mae West or horse collar as part of 60’s or early 70’s dive training and ignore that there is a wing on their back pack.
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Post by time2dive on Jul 5, 2008 10:34:50 GMT -8
It is still a distinctive specialty, however it has been approved by PADI once as written so the ground work has been laid. If someone else were to submit the same specialty it should be approved, especially if you add the use of a "flotation device" being used by the diver. I will probably give the student the option of a backpack, horse collar or BCD. I will be wearing a backpack and probably attach an alternate air source to my hookah port for class.
Tim
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Post by swimjim on Jul 8, 2008 14:39:37 GMT -8
From Padi's stand point, it's yet another card they can sell. As long as it can be done safely I'm sure they would have no bones about it. From a divers stand point, if he or she is really interested in vintage gear it could make a great starting point. Kind of a win win. I learned vintage by reading everything I could lay my hands on. That's how I learned to dive pre cert anyway. Of course thats way out of vogue. Reading is too much work these days. I wish you the best of luck Tim. Have fun with it. It's contagious and that will inspire your students.
Jim
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2008 17:49:25 GMT -8
I've been reading this string with interest and am glad something is being done about training new folks.......
I did note that one of the agencys said no to horse collars and require BCD.....and I noted the stir here about that.........
Could these new instructors etc at the agencys be confusing the old Maywest type vest for a horse collar?........I have always considered, as many here have, a horse collar the first of the BC's. The word D for Device came along later with the new crowd as I understand it.
But then, I'm gettin old and forget things.........ask my X wife hahaha...............
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Post by nafod on Aug 29, 2008 19:36:03 GMT -8
On second thought, that might be a bit to much, I don't think I could pass that . Nem I could . . .
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Post by boogerdave on Feb 26, 2009 8:39:55 GMT -8
If anyone is interested, I have the course outline that I submitted to PADI as well as the class material that I wrote in PDF format. Tim Tim, I would really like to get this info from you. I was writing one but since yours has already been approved and is on file, that makes life MUCH easier. Thanks -Dave
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Post by time2dive on Feb 26, 2009 11:05:30 GMT -8
I have officially taught two vintage students. One is a guy that I work with at the dive shop and the other was a customer. The first one, the kid I work with helped me work out the buddy breathing techniques so I can teach buddy breathing without a huge cloud of bubbles in the face. Speaking of buddy breathing, the second student (my first actual class), forgot about the part of giving back the air....he took one breath, two breaths, three breaths, four breaths.... I had to tug on the regulator to get it back, he knew how to buddy breath with a single hose, I taught him that skill in rescue class. me with my RAM and a single tank Tom, my student The gear that Tom used...my Voit 50 fathom
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Post by scubadiverbob on Apr 1, 2009 10:06:51 GMT -8
Could you just cert. me for vintage diving? How 'bout double hose reg repair tech? When I learned all this there was no certs. required. I used to vis & hydro tanks and never got certified. I have lots of experience, though. Drilled holes in a couple of tanks.
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Post by scubadiverbob on Apr 1, 2009 10:14:13 GMT -8
Great pictures! Make sure to get bubbles (composition) when diver exhales and would be a little better. I wish we had water vis like that where I live. We've had to deal with five foot vis lately in the river. Makes it hard to take pictures.
Keep up the good work. We need more vintage divers! I still got to get Andrew, my 13 yr old son, to try a double hose. He keeps saying "it doesn't have a purge button" Any suggestions?
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Post by time2dive on Apr 1, 2009 10:35:59 GMT -8
When people ask me about the lack of a purge button ask them how often they actually use a purge button. Anyone that regularly uses a purge button to clear a regulator is not ready for a double hose. You can try and explain (and show) that a double hose has an automatic purge..... just raise the mouthpiece above the first stage. Finding a way to comfortably buddy breath was harder than purging and they use the same principle.
Tim
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